modern replacement of mark IIc+......?

[lboiv001]

I played a friend's Mark IIC+ a few years ago and haven't found a comparable tone since then.......would it be worth the clams to shell out for a Mark IV, or try desperately to save up for an original Mark IIC+? Mod a Mark III to Mark IIC+ specs, maybe?
I want to be able to settle on one amp and do away with the tone wanderlust for awhile, and I need some good input, or else I'll go bankrupt searching.

 

[jdurso]

either the mark iv or the triaxis/2:90 setup.... they have the mark IIC+ circuit in the triaxis... ive never played an actual IIc+ but that setting in the triaxis was pretty **** good

 

[ToneAddictJon]

You might want to try a Mark III, IMO for the money they are the best deal going right now in the used market for Mesa. I know Mesa can do a + mod to them, but I have no idea how close that puts them to a C+, and I'm satisfied completely with how the III's sound stock, so I never messed with it.

 

[Elpelotero]

A modified Mark3 will not be a true C+ because of the different transformers. Unless you get a very early Mark3 that has the C+ transformers.

The C+ is its own sound and FEEL. The Mark3, 4, triaxis, and other preamps get close enough that the average person won't even tell the difference. For me, the difference is felt when you're actually playing the thing and you sense the dynamics, sensitivity, creaminess, etc.

 

[Barracuda]

A modified Mark3 will not be a true C+ because of the different transformers. Unless you get a very early Mark3 that has the C+ transformers.

The C+ is its own sound and FEEL. The Mark3, 4, triaxis, and other preamps get close enough that the average person won't even tell the difference. For me, the difference is felt when you're actually playing the thing and you sense the dynamics, sensitivity, creaminess, etc.

Why can't / won't Mesa make a IIC RI?

 

[tiktok]

Why can't / won't Mesa make a IIC RI?

High cost of manufacture, low demand.

 

[mikey383]

Why can't / won't Mesa make a IIC RI?

High cost of manufacture, low demand.

I'm willing to bet that there are quite a few people who would line up for a reissued C+. Even a short run of a thousand would be beneficial. Make them the same physical size as a IV combo, and little re-tooling would be necessary.

 

[jdurso]

Why can't / won't Mesa make a IIC RI?

High cost of manufacture, low demand.

I'm willing to bet that there are quite a few people who would line up for a reissued C+. Even a short run of a thousand would be beneficial. Make them the same physical size as a IV combo, and little re-tooling would be necessary.

i would imagine though the price would bring it into bogner/dizel range in terms of price... i'm not sure how many people would be willing to fork out that type of $$ because you know half of them would say its not the same as the original

 

[simonich]

Why can't / won't Mesa make a IIC RI?

High cost of manufacture, low demand.

I'm willing to bet that there are quite a few people who would line up for a reissued C+. Even a short run of a thousand would be beneficial. Make them the same physical size as a IV combo, and little re-tooling would be necessary.

Yea, it's really a question of how many "quite a few" means? I suspect Mesa feels it's not enough to extract a good enough return on investment for producing even a limited run.

For those that really want a 2c+, the originals exist on the used market. Just buy one. It really does come down to what a given consumer thinks they are worth. If you're willing to pay $3k for it, you can have it.

 

[jdurso]

High cost of manufacture, low demand.

I'm willing to bet that there are quite a few people who would line up for a reissued C+. Even a short run of a thousand would be beneficial. Make them the same physical size as a IV combo, and little re-tooling would be necessary.

Yea, it's really a question of how many "quite a few" means? I suspect Mesa feels it's not enough to extract a good enough return on investment for producing even a limited run.

For those that really want a 2c+, the originals exist on the used market. Just buy one. It really does come down to what a given consumer thinks they are worth. If you're willing to pay $3k for it, you can have it.

yeah thats what i was thinking.... if your willing to spend 3k new just buy them for the 2k they're going for used.... thats unless they did a reissue with some new, more modern features .... that might warrant that type of price tag

 

[Barry]

The mark has evolved since its inception . From I to IV . I will continue to evolve .

 

[jdurso]

The mark has evolved since its inception . From I to IV . I will continue to evolve .

that i agree with but i'm not sure MB would ever do a reissue of the IIC+... if anything you'd see the mark V before something like that.... or maybe a modernized mark IIC+ would be the foundation of a Mark V :twisted:

 

[mikey383]

Well, they did a Mark I reissue, and have had various designs built around the original Mark I.

 

[phyrexia]

And the Mark I was recently discontinued. Mesa is for the most part a forward looking company. I would bet there'll be a Mark V long before there's a IIC+ reissue.

 

[tiktok]

Why can't / won't Mesa make a IIC RI?

High cost of manufacture, low demand.

I'm willing to bet that there are quite a few people who would line up for a reissued C+. Even a short run of a thousand would be beneficial. Make them the same physical size as a IV combo, and little re-tooling would be necessary.

I'm sure they'd have to modify the design at least slightly due to components not being available (and probably more due to different construction practices almost twenty years down the road), and that'd kill the appeal for the serious trainspotters. And the new reissues would probably cost more than the vintage ones, which aren't that expensive for that market niche.