Boogiebabies
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The schematics are just a concept of the basic design. What you wont see is the traces on the bottom of the board that would assist in making the layout sensible. The IIC and + were designed and sold under the dual mode amplifier patent # 4,211,893 and were cleverly built to conceal the true circuit from piracy. I think it's just a protective position to stay in business. Let's just assume that from February 1984 to April 1985 Mesa sold 2000 IIC+'s, which was basically there only product at the time. If they had a net of $ 1 Million in amp and accessory revenues, you have to account for the overhead of the new Petaluma facility, payroll, fixed and variable expenses, taxes and supplies. I doubt by any means they were rolling in huge profit. They needed to protect the design as a means to survive. It's a business that provides a product to a niche market. Mesa was still a boutique builder in comparison to Marshall and Fender sales volumes. There product was a departure from the fare of the day and it was a solid and remarkable product. What really set them apart was how accessible they were to customers and the options available. The issue today is that consumers have an emotional crutch to call them for even the most minor issues. I think the CS department has better things to do that tell 40 people a day what to clean their diamond plate with. Calling Mike Bendinelli and drudging up an issue on an amp that has not been produced since 1985 is not exactly what he gets paid to do. Phone support on something he got paid for in 1985 does not pay his bills today.
He has to make a living and is the best source for repairing vintage Boogie's bar none. Mike is extremely kind in talking history at the expense of his time and income. If he is testy, you can bet that he has been inundated all week with questions from chucklheads asking if a C upgraded to a + is really and C+ or stirring the pot that some nobody on a chat room can increase the gain and add a second volume 1. Some people just have the illusion that they are entitled to other peoples work, designs and ideas. I doubt Mesa is concerned that you can do something proprietary to a 23 year old amp, or that they even care about it. It's ancient history. If anyone wants to reverse engineer, improve, modify or destroy an old Boogie they can. It would be the only way you may get a true schematic. I'm sure Mesa has the circuit board, faceplate and schematic for all of the old designs, but it's old news. They still hold a copyright on all circuit board artwork, so there goes a mass produced knock off of any MK series. It's just smart business tactics in a world that thrives on infringing designs and selling someone elses product produced in China for half the price. I don't get in a huff over anything anymore. It's not worth it. Some of us have held the Mesa torch only to get ***** slapped by other idiots with the ability to type and rat our every post to Mesa. For me, I have never had an amplifier company that has helped me out as much as Mesa. They have gone above and beyond the call of duty. Mike Bendinelli, George Mueller, Jim Aschow and a few CS reps have been remarkably kind. If you approach them with respect and precise issues, more often than not they will give you more than you asked for. You can be a pain in the *** with them as long as you are calm and it's warranted. God knows I have been, but they stuck with me and I stuck with them. In the end, if they want to be mad at me, or I want to be mad at them we will both get over it. At least there is someone on the other end that gives a rats *** either way. Give them a chance. They might surprise you, even if you have to make a switchable bypass for the GEQ to the signal in on the phase inverter.
He has to make a living and is the best source for repairing vintage Boogie's bar none. Mike is extremely kind in talking history at the expense of his time and income. If he is testy, you can bet that he has been inundated all week with questions from chucklheads asking if a C upgraded to a + is really and C+ or stirring the pot that some nobody on a chat room can increase the gain and add a second volume 1. Some people just have the illusion that they are entitled to other peoples work, designs and ideas. I doubt Mesa is concerned that you can do something proprietary to a 23 year old amp, or that they even care about it. It's ancient history. If anyone wants to reverse engineer, improve, modify or destroy an old Boogie they can. It would be the only way you may get a true schematic. I'm sure Mesa has the circuit board, faceplate and schematic for all of the old designs, but it's old news. They still hold a copyright on all circuit board artwork, so there goes a mass produced knock off of any MK series. It's just smart business tactics in a world that thrives on infringing designs and selling someone elses product produced in China for half the price. I don't get in a huff over anything anymore. It's not worth it. Some of us have held the Mesa torch only to get ***** slapped by other idiots with the ability to type and rat our every post to Mesa. For me, I have never had an amplifier company that has helped me out as much as Mesa. They have gone above and beyond the call of duty. Mike Bendinelli, George Mueller, Jim Aschow and a few CS reps have been remarkably kind. If you approach them with respect and precise issues, more often than not they will give you more than you asked for. You can be a pain in the *** with them as long as you are calm and it's warranted. God knows I have been, but they stuck with me and I stuck with them. In the end, if they want to be mad at me, or I want to be mad at them we will both get over it. At least there is someone on the other end that gives a rats *** either way. Give them a chance. They might surprise you, even if you have to make a switchable bypass for the GEQ to the signal in on the phase inverter.
