Why isn't everybody talking about the ROYAL ATLANTIC!

[lockbody]

[Keanu] Whoa! [/Keanu]

I loved all the SG clips since that's what I'm mostly playing these days. I just might have to send Monsta's DC-10 packing to Maui depending on how that bad boy sounds in real life, but I liked those clips.

 

[DWAKO]

Man, this seem to have everything I wish my Electra Dyne had, it's the closest thing to a perfect amp that Mesa has ever created IMO. It has a separate clean EQ, and more gain saturation on board, the multi-soak also seem like a winning feature. I love my Dyne and I thought there would never be another amp that would even compare... But man, this thing may potentially have the ED beat, but only time will tell. The ED may still have a better sound due to the single signal path. :|

 

[screamingdaisy]

The ED may still have a better sound due to the single signal path. :|

The ED doesn't have a single signal path. Mesa just made it look that way by using stacked tone pots so that you could squeeze multiple channels into a single set of controls.

 

[YellowJacket]

Yes, the 'Dyne is really a wolf in sheeps clothing. They managed to cram a 3 channel amp into a simple design with one set of controls and a few knobs on the back to increase the flexibility of the thing. In my opinion, clean should have had one separate EQ, and Vintage Low and Hi could have gotten by with a shared EQ between them. Each channel should have a separate volume and master dial. (just my $0.02)

 

[rabies]

This is just an assumption, but I will bet around 1599 or 1699.

What is it retailing for?

$1899. I picked up the latest PRONET at the MB NAMM booth on Friday. Michael said it will be available around March. He also said the multi-soak feature will cause the power tubes to wear out faster (i.e. shorten tube life).

I wish my Marshall VM 2266 had a separate master volume for the LDR and HDR (that's one typical complaint about the VMs: volume mismatches).

This would be a good amp to pick up used...

 

[rabies]

I also verified with Michael that the RA100 is stock loaded with EL34s (unlike the ED).

I talked to the Diezel booth guy as well on Friday and I let him know that MB, Reeves, Marshall (AFD100) all have power soak/scaling features. Diezel does not offer that and they had one prototype amp there based on the Herbert. He said due to their lifetime warranty, extensive R&D and hi-quality components (German custom-wound trannies vs. "$20 cheap Chinese trannies" that most other manufacturers use) they're expensive. He said a Chinese Diezel distributor was there at NAMM and reported that they are basically spending the equivalent of $45,000 (yes, $45K!) on a single Diezel amp in China. He also stated that on their class A amp (the Schmidt?), it auto-biases for 6L6 or EL34 w/o flipping a bias switch which I thought was interesting. He said James Hetfield owns 11 Diezel amps.

The interesting thing is they used 212 ED cab in the video on the MB website for the RA100. I don't think there is a new matching cab for it.

 

[MesaENGR412]

He said a Chinese Diezel distributor was there at NAMM and reported that they are basically spending the equivalent of $45,000 (yes, $45K!) on a single Diezel amp in China. He also stated that on their class A amp (the Schmidt?), it auto-biases for 6L6 or EL34 w/o flipping a bias switch which I thought was interesting. He said James Hetfield owns 11 Diezel amps.

So...that means the Chinese and James Hetfield both own about the equivalent total of Diezel gear monetarily speaking (not taking into account that Papa Het probably got most if not all of them for next to nothing or totally free)... :lol:

-AJH

 

[konstantine RK]

daisy... can you explain to me the whole power soak on a layman's terms..... is it a tool for stage level volume? does it sap certain frequencies?

 

[screamingdaisy]

daisy... can you explain to me the whole power soak on a layman's terms..... is it a tool for stage level volume? does it sap certain frequencies?

Basically...

The gain knob cuts the signal level leaving your guitar and going into the preamp.

The master volume cuts the signal leaving your preamp and going into the power amp.

The power soak cuts the volume leaving your power amp and going into the speakers.

 

[danyeo1]

Wow your right!
The demo clips sound pretty **** good. The features look great also. I like the on board power soak.
Not their best looking amp though.
Between the ED and this new amp I wonder how long before they discontinue the Stiletto.

Hopefully never until they can't get the right parts no more. They all sound different from one another...

This is what Im worried about. The stiletto is a great amp. Hate to see it go

The resale value on them is hurtin. I just sold my Ace combo for $750. I only had 1 bid on it and I'm taking a loss. I feel band for the guys trying to get $1200. I mean, if only 1 guy out there was willing to pony up only $750 for mine, who the heck is buying a new one for $1800? Or whatever they cost new.

I think the Stiletto will be going bye bye. It's a flawed amp anyway.

 

[screamingdaisy]

The Stiletto is in kind of a weird place. To the Marshall guys it's not Marshall enough and to the Mesa guys it's not Mesa enough. I think that kind of hurts it.

I think that's where the ED has been more successful. It's a much more "Mesa" version of "British tone" and I think a lot of people appreciate that.

 

[YellowJacket]

See, that is what is so brilliant about the Electra Dyne. It has this chimey, elastic, and super rich clean tone and then you hit the gas, it is a creamy and polished version of raw brit tone.

 

[KH Guitar Freak]

The resale value on them is hurtin. I just sold my Ace combo for $750. I only had 1 bid on it and I'm taking a loss. I feel band for the guys trying to get $1200. I mean, if only 1 guy out there was willing to pony up only $750 for mine, who the heck is buying a new one for $1800? Or whatever they cost new.

I think the Stiletto will be going bye bye. It's a flawed amp anyway.

Disagree with the "flawed amp" bit. But yes, I do understand the lost, hence why I bought my Stiletto Deuce II head used. I do have to say that I hope Mesa continues to offer them for as long as possible, cause it's a great amp...

 

[primal]

Not that I have the cash on hand now (it is committed to other guitar gear at the moment), But if I can find an Ace head around 750 dollars when I do have the cash I would be all over that.

The crunch channel alone makes the amp worth it IMO.

 

[Jak0lantern01]

Stiletto is a flawed amp? You've got to be kidding with that statement. It's not the amp's fault you don't know how to dial in a good tone. I played an ED at the store, totally unimpressed to say the least. I'll keep my Stiletto, but I do have an AFD100 on order as well. I had to do it.

 

[HaggertysMusic]

Stiletto is a flawed amp? You've got to be kidding with that statement. It's not the amp's fault you don't know how to dial in a good tone. I played an ED at the store, totally unimpressed to say the least. I'll keep my Stiletto, but I do have an AFD100 on order as well. I had to do it.

Were you able to really open up the master volume on the Electra Dyne? If not, I can understand why you were unimpressed, and that's why the RA will likely be a bigger success.

 

[danyeo1]

Stiletto is a flawed amp? You've got to be kidding with that statement. It's not the amp's fault you don't know how to dial in a good tone. I played an ED at the store, totally unimpressed to say the least. I'll keep my Stiletto, but I do have an AFD100 on order as well. I had to do it.

No, you've got to be kidding ME. So tell me, why did Mesa redo the thing within a year? My ED walks all over the Ace, I've got the Ace bass on 10 and it still can't match the lowend of the Ed when it's bass is on 5. Is that my fault? Is it my fault that i have to keep the presence OFF and the treble below 3? Is it my fault they didn't make the loop footswitchable? Is it my fault they didn't add a MUCH needed depth knob? Am i the first one to complain about no lowend?

And seriously, if you can't get a great sound out of the Ed then maybe you deserve the Stiletto.

 

[HaggertysMusic]

Stiletto is a flawed amp? You've got to be kidding with that statement. It's not the amp's fault you don't know how to dial in a good tone. I played an ED at the store, totally unimpressed to say the least. I'll keep my Stiletto, but I do have an AFD100 on order as well. I had to do it.

No, you've got to be kidding ME. So tell me, why did Mesa redo the thing within a year? My ED walks all over the Ace, I've got the Ace bass on 10 and it still can't match the lowend of the Ed when it's bass is on 5. Is that my fault? Is it my fault that i have to keep the presence OFF and the treble below 3? Is it my fault they didn't make the loop footswitchable? Is it my fault they didn't add a MUCH needed depth knob? Am i the first one to complain about no lowend?

And seriously, if you can't get a great sound out of the Ed then maybe you deserve the Stiletto.

These amps sound nothing alike to me. I have no idea why there is always a comparison between these two amps. And I don't know why it would bother you to have to run a knob below 3, if it sounds good at that point. The stiletto isn't the only boogie like that. The Mark I, lonestars, etc you have to turn the treble all the way up and the bass almost off... so why does it matter where the knobs are set, if it sounds good?

Bottom line, is if the Stiletto is not for you, that doesn't make it crap. IMO, both amps have their place and are not intended to compete with each other.

 

[Riff Blister]

Stiletto is a flawed amp? You've got to be kidding with that statement. It's not the amp's fault you don't know how to dial in a good tone. I played an ED at the store, totally unimpressed to say the least. I'll keep my Stiletto, but I do have an AFD100 on order as well. I had to do it.

No, you've got to be kidding ME. So tell me, why did Mesa redo the thing within a year? My ED walks all over the Ace, I've got the Ace bass on 10 and it still can't match the lowend of the Ed when it's bass is on 5. Is that my fault? Is it my fault that i have to keep the presence OFF and the treble below 3? Is it my fault they didn't make the loop footswitchable? Is it my fault they didn't add a MUCH needed depth knob? Am i the first one to complain about no lowend?

And seriously, if you can't get a great sound out of the Ed then maybe you deserve the Stiletto.

These amps sound nothing alike to me. I have no idea why there is always a comparison between these two amps. And I don't know why it would bother you to have to run a knob below 3, if it sounds good at that point. The stiletto isn't the only boogie like that. The Mark I, lonestars, etc you have to turn the treble all the way up and the bass almost off... so why does it matter where the knobs are set, if it sounds good?

Bottom line, is if the Stiletto is not for you, that doesn't make it crap. IMO, both amps have their place and are not intended to compete with each other.

Well said.
No need to get all wound up folks. :wink:

 

[YellowJacket]

Stiletto is a flawed amp? You've got to be kidding with that statement. It's not the amp's fault you don't know how to dial in a good tone. I played an ED at the store, totally unimpressed to say the least. I'll keep my Stiletto, but I do have an AFD100 on order as well. I had to do it.

I think it is stupid to call any amp flawed, or at least moreso than another. Some amps are 'better' than others but I think this is just a case of which 'flavour' of Mesa everyone likes. Think about it. When I bake for a public event, people don't tell me my banana bread is flawed because it doesn't taste like a brownie. If they want a brownie, they eat one and leave the banana bread for someone else.

When I tried an Electra Dyne I got chills. SERIOUSLY! It was my tone in an amplifier and I was blown away. I sat in a room with the amp for a solid hour with a stupid grin on my face (Almost a sex grin). That is just what I am looking for. The Stilettos are great amps and I'm sure there are people who try them and grin like an idiot as well.

I don't like the argument that 'too marshall for a mesa guy and too mesa for a marshall guy' makes an amp bad. I'm sure there are people who were just wishing that there was an amp that was right smack in between a JCM800 and a Dual Recto. In fact, I know a guy who ran one of each head so he could blend them live.