mesa transatlantic!

[Skwisgaar]

I am not sure how to confirm that but, if the UK version of the Vintage 30 was 70 watts, as the cabinets that
held 4 used to be 280 watts,

Celestion didn't change the spec when they started making them in China. Marshall is obviously using a custom "Vintage" speaker. It's very common for manufacturers to do this kind of thing. Mesa has their own Celestion Custom 90. I don't think it makes a **** bit of difference where the Vintage 30 is made. If you want to get real picky about your speakers, there are higher priced offerings that are worth getting picky over:

Celestion Heritage
Scholtz Sugar Cone
the Fanes they put in those Hi-Watt amps.
the custom Jensens used by Koch

I know Marshall uses the chinese ones except in there top of the line cabinets.

I don't think Marshall uses the Heritage speakers on any cab, despite the upcharge for Marshall cabs loaded with G12H and G12M speakers. Perhaps the upcharge is simply to get speakers made in the UK? That would be a good argument against the notion that there is anything special about the 70 watt Celestion vintage speaker - as the Marshall cab loaded with them is lower in price.

Mesa is a much bigger brand than Bogner, so they're going to have clout that Bogner doesn't have. I am not as familiar with Mesa's history as most of the rest on this forum, and the preceding discussion was very confusing. Mesa used to claim 280 watts per 4 X 12, like Marshall? Or did they used to claim 260 watts? Which would probably indicate a misprint as someone reported Mesa claimed.

Anyway, my main purpose in replying to this thread is for a speaker recommendation to go with the Transatlantic. I was thinking of a Celestion G12H Heritage. I'd like a speaker that would be pushed by the amp, but not one that will fart out. I am concerned that I would really need at least 50 watts of speaker to go with the amp to avoid excessive speaker distortion. I would use a 112 or 212 enclosure.

This amp could make a great home recording amp. With the class A power section, you could get killer power amp saturation without annoying the neighbors.

 

[LerxstLee]

I would grab a celestion alnico gold. Break it in and you will be golden.
Speaking for myself, they are expensive but worth it.

 

[LerxstLee]

Mark from Mesa just called me back/
The celestions mesa used are Made in the U.K.
If you open the cab they will say Made in the U.K.
Well thats official information from me, an unofficial source.
I will sleep tonight.
I also do not worry about those other speakers.
ALso the glue has NOTHING to do with it, you might want to
listen to them some more, there is a difference. Painfully different.

I Simply wanted an answer about the V30 from celestion in a Mesa
or a way I could confirm it. Some peoples words are good enough, yet others
are just words to me.

Marshall uses the G30H Heritage, 30 watt large magnet made in U.K speaker in the
1960HW and 1960AHW. They also use the G20? heritage made in the U.K. in their
bluesbreaker reissue and in the extension cabinet.

 

[LerxstLee]

http://www.sevenstring.org/forum/gear-and-equipment/106776-mesa-trans-atlantic.html

The thread starter to help with my derailment.

 

[bigdawg]

Well speaking to a couple of uk retailers theyre expecting it to be around the £1,000 mark... :shock:

Something serioulsy wrong if thats the case - May as well buy a 5:25 head, with effects loop and reverb..

 

[Pyro]

What a stupid mistake!!!!!!!! A high priced amp that you cant use your pedal board with. Not putting a loop on it has basically made it useless to any player that owns a delay or reverb pedal, or both. Mesa buyers are tone junkies and tone junkies use time based effects.

 

[b0nkersx]

These little amplifiers aren't supposed to be feature laden monsters. Seriously, I don't think not having a loop is something to get bent out of shape over. I would never choose effects over a quality amplifier. Ever.

 

[bigdawg]

I agree with what youre saying about tone but for the UK that price is insane. Im guessing from the time you posted youre in the US (sorry if im wrong) thats the equivelent of paying nearly US$1,700 for it. Im sure if Mesa bought it out at that price there'd be a few comments here... :?

 

[MF]

This ad popped up while i was browsing the forum.
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No mention of it on their site yet but i suppose one could call and find out what the price is...

 

[Pyro]

I would never choose effects over a quality amplifier. Ever.

When you pay that sort of money, "choice" should not even be an issue. You should get both quality tone and a loop.

These little amplifiers aren't supposed to be feature laden monsters.

Is that why they have two channels with differant voices and a multi watt switch. Really basic design there lol :roll:

 

[Scary]

I would never choose effects over a quality amplifier. Ever.

When you pay that sort of money, "choice" should not even be an issue. You should get both quality tone and a loop.

These little amplifiers aren't supposed to be feature laden monsters.

Is that why they have two channels with differant voices and a multi watt switch. Really basic design there lol :roll:

It's a grab and go package, that's why they call it a lunchbox. It wouldn't be a Mesa without having a few options. Having an FX loop would have been awesome, but it's easy to see the market they're going for. It's already a couple hundred more than the Tiny Terror and it's possible they couldn't put the loop in and maintain the price point that suits the product.

I'd rather have a couple voices per channel and multi watt over an FX loop any day of the week. Although not ideal you can always place effects in front.

 

[b0nkersx]

When you pay that sort of money, "choice" should not even be an issue. You should get both quality tone and a loop.

You missed the point of what I said. If I played an amplifier that I was absolutely stunned by, I wouldn't brush it off because it had no loop. If effects are more important to you than your amplifiers tone, cool. It's not my thing.

Is that why they have two channels with differant voices and a multi watt switch. Really basic design there lol :roll:

That's really nothing special. Adding those don't increase the weight and price by too much. All of the lunchbox amps were designed with multi watt switches, and a good number of them have multiple voicings (Orange Dual Terror, Vox Night Train). They were also all designed without an effects loop, which leads me to believe that they can't even fit one in there (ease of portability is the key idea here) or put one in and keep the price where they need it to be.

 

[Pyro]

Ok fair enough but look at it this way. What style of music would you use a guitar totally dry with????

Blues, Rock, Prog Rock, Jazz, Pop......blah blah blah. I cant think of one style of music that has a totally dry guitar signal. Everything is wet up with either a delay or reverb.

Now you yourself said you care about the Tone of the Amp more. So.....why buy an expensive amp with a great tone and then ruin that tone by putting a delay or reverb straight into the front of it. And lets face it, time based effects sound bad into the front but you HAVE TO have them to play music.

Somebody who buys a cheap amp might not mind but when you fork out big bucks for a mesa you expect to be able use it

 

[bigdawg]

just out of interest can onyone in the US confirm a proce for the orange dual terror..??

 

[MF]

just out of interest can onyone in the US confirm a proce for the orange dual terror..??

The head is available for $829 at Axe Music in Canada so i'd expect to find them at that price or cheaper in the US.


Edit: $859 at sweetwater.com

 

[bigdawg]

thats odd thats almost a proper conversion ie the same as what we're paying in the UK just in $$'s, so why is the mesa nearly $800 more..???

 

[b0nkersx]

Ok fair enough but look at it this way. What style of music would you use a guitar totally dry with????

Ask Angus Young!

Kidding. Sorta. Me personally? Almost everything that I play (old rock, hard rock, metal). Even songs that use effects. For example, I play a lot of Tool with my band. Their guitarist has a pedalboard that probably weighs twice as much as my amp, and I play these songs without effects. I put my own spin on the song so that it sounds great instead of buying a flanger or delay to play a few songs. Point is, you don't HAVE to have anything to play anything. I personally don't think spending money on effects is worth it because of how often I don't use them.

My amp has reverb on it, but I don't use it a lot. Most of the reverb sounds I get are from whatever room I'm in. If the room is really stiff, I might turn it up a bit. There are also hundreds of songs without delay, but I still play songs that have delay without a delay pedal (Time by Pink Floyd). To be fair, some songs with iconic tones like Machine Gun by Hendrix wouldn't sound the same without univibe.. but most of the worlds songs aren't this way.

 

[nomad100hd]

i think no loop is a moot point, if you understood how the amp works! The amp seems to be designed for POWERAMP Distortion, so um even with a loop your FX would be before the distortion!!!! Okay i'm done

 

[talltxguy]

So what about doing the 4-cable method with the Trans? Won't that address the effects loop issues that some are complaining about?

 

[b0nkersx]

You need a loop to do 4 cable method, haha