Let's play a game...

[mikeymike]

Is the part where you tell us you recorded it on a POD and we are all tube snobs?

Do you see what gear I have? Why would I call anyone a tube snob...

Yes it was a POD XT.

Amp model: #106 "Brit J-2000 #2" (modeled after a JCM2000)
Direct into my PC using two 1/4 -> RCA cables (Audigy 2 Platinum Live Drive front panel RCA).
Cabinet in the POD XT was set to Cab #19: "Green 25's"
Microphone is Mic #4 the "67 Condenser"
No Room %

EQ is the fun part.

+12.6 160 hz
-12.8 220 hz
The rest are flat.
The remaining frequencies are set to 4.5k and 3.7k (dont ask me why it's backwards.... it doesnt matter anyway since they're flat )

I wasn't really trying to trick anyone per se. I was just showing what a good patch in the POD XT can do without letting the listeners know it's a POD XT first.

For those of you who dislike it and care to talk about it, what about the tone doesn't sound good? I really don't hear much in the way of "bad" so I'd like to develop my ear further. Indulge me, if you feel like sharing.

 

[kk]

I use my PODxt all the time for laying down scratch tracks, doing quick and dirty demos for the band, and jamming at low volumes... Kind of guessed Pod.

I was just joking about the tube snob stuff. I know some of the Vetta threads over at Institute of Noise can get a heated on the whole tubes vs digital stuff. To each his own and for some us, we'll take both.

 

[MesaGod666]

This isn't country.

Show me an example of good tone okay? That might put a baseline on your opinion. Judging by your user name you wouldn't know tone if it smacked you in the face and ran over you with a loudspeaker blasting "THIS IS TONE" over and over again.

This way to the 14 year olds on youtube with "15 watt marshalls" or... successful troll is successful.... :arrow:

Your tone is ***. You wanted some opinions and you got mine. If you can't dig it, then go die. I maintain that I can get a better tone out of a Marshall MG with a Metal Zone than you ever could with whatever gear you're using.

I know tone. If you doubt me, then go check out some of my tones...http://www.netmusicians.org

The user name is Chucktallica101 to school you in what a real tone sounds like.\

The end.

:evil:

 

[venaleschatology]

Yes it was a POD XT

Epic win was declared. I believe I mentioned the possibility of it being modeled as it sounded to close and tight to be real. I feel that deserves at least another cookie...... hehe successful troll.

Awesomeness and cookies are linked

Truth.

I reckon it won't be long before modeled sounds are just as good, at least for recording. Maybe they already are. I haven't checked out the new gear in a while. This makes me think I should give it another shot.

I said EL-84's because they have a sort of high frequency feedback that 'chimes' with each note in a similar way to your tone. It really does sound like an EL-84 orange. At least close enough to make forking out for a genuine orange much less appealing. But I think in a live setting, they are still a fair way off.

 

[venaleschatology]

Oh, anyone want to come to Brisbane, Australia and baby sit my gear for the next 2 weeks to 6 months (depending if i get work). I'm moving halfway across the country to live with my mate for a while and my gear is staying here... unused... untouched... just waiting to be cranked... anyone?

God I wish I lived in Brissy. Melbourne is a little far away to commute....but u do have some good gear.

 

[MrMarkIII]

Since several folks guessed El-84 (Vox, Orange), and the model was a JCM 2000 from a Pod, I can only conclude that Pods do genuinely suck ***.

 

[mikeymike]

I use my PODxt all the time for laying down scratch tracks, doing quick and dirty demos for the band, and jamming at low volumes... Kind of guessed Pod.

I was just joking about the tube snob stuff. I know some of the Vetta threads over at Institute of Noise can get a heated on the whole tubes vs digital stuff. To each his own and for some us, we'll take both.

Ah okay. I agree. Digital + Tubes can be very enjoyable.

 

[mikeymike]

This isn't country.

Show me an example of good tone okay? That might put a baseline on your opinion. Judging by your user name you wouldn't know tone if it smacked you in the face and ran over you with a loudspeaker blasting "THIS IS TONE" over and over again.

This way to the 14 year olds on youtube with "15 watt marshalls" or... successful troll is successful.... :arrow:

Your tone is ***. You wanted some opinions and you got mine. If you can't dig it, then go die. I maintain that I can get a better tone out of a Marshall MG with a Metal Zone than you ever could with whatever gear you're using.

I know tone. If you doubt me, then go check out some of my tones...http://www.netmusicians.org

The user name is Chucktallica101 to school you in what a real tone sounds like.\

The end.

:evil:

How old are you? I listened to all your tracks and wasn't impressed. I wonder if anyone else here will attest to that? It sounds liked you have the gain or channel volume cranked way too high on every song and you're losing tightness. Typical mistake for kids playing on Boogies. I don't have a problem with your opinion that's why I posted this. However, You aren't being productive at all, you're just being an *** and causing dissent. But what can someone expect from a person who's username is MesaGod666. Thanks for posting though. I guess in your own annoying, 14 year old way, you contributed to this thread.

 

[mikeymike]

Yes it was a POD XT

Epic win was declared. I believe I mentioned the possibility of it being modeled as it sounded to close and tight to be real. I feel that deserves at least another cookie...... hehe successful troll.

Awesomeness and cookies are linked

Truth.

I reckon it won't be long before modeled sounds are just as good, at least for recording. Maybe they already are. I haven't checked out the new gear in a while. This makes me think I should give it another shot.

I said EL-84's because they have a sort of high frequency feedback that 'chimes' with each note in a similar way to your tone. It really does sound like an EL-84 orange. At least close enough to make forking out for a genuine orange much less appealing. But I think in a live setting, they are still a fair way off.

Yeah you were very close haha. You have now acquired 10 cookies. Don't use them all in one place sonny. :wink:

I think modeling is great. In a live application they are probably really convincing. I would have to say that when I clone my recto preamp using my Pod XT PRO, the end result is very very faithful to the real thing.

Have you used a Pod XT or XT PRO before? With the right tweaker you can get REALLY good sounds out of them. Thanks for being a cool guy and not spoiling the thread. This is the kind of reaction/response I wanted. I think this was fun and pretty informative.

 

[mikeymike]

Since several folks guessed El-84 (Vox, Orange), and the model was a JCM 2000 from a Pod, I can only conclude that Pods do genuinely suck ***.

LOL I know. I thought about that as well. The JCM 2000 #2 model in the Pod XT is very versatile though. I can play stuff like what you heard but when you throw a boost in front of it, it becomes pretty awesome. I will post a clip up using that same exact patch but with a boost on and show you what I mean.

Is it safe to say that JCM 2000's sound nothing like the model though? This was at a really low gain setting....

 

[mikeymike]

Okay here is a clip of me playing.

http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=b0a9a248db099027b94117dade8fc29596647e7a852f06f95be6ba49b5870170

From time stamp 00:00 until 00:39 I am playing the exact same patch as I did in the first mp3 at the beginning of this thread. I play a couple little things with light picking so you can hear the relatively low gain that it contains(00:04ish). Then the same starting chord of D as my original recording (00:06) so you can hear it is the same and some alternate picking afterwards. Then after that I play some Laid to Rest by Lamb of God. It was interesting and kinda difficult to play with such a low amount of gain haha.

From 00:40 until the end I have the exact same patch but I have enabled a boost in front. It's supposedly a TS-808 with the Drive at 0, Gain at 90%, and Tone at 80%.

I think that it sounds decent but when you throw the boost on it can kinda get 'modeler'-ish. Through a power amp though it sounds really convincing.

 

[venaleschatology]

Yeah you were very close haha. You have now acquired 10 cookies. Don't use them all in one place sonny. :wink:

I think modeling is great. In a live application they are probably really convincing. I would have to say that when I clone my recto preamp using my Pod XT PRO, the end result is very very faithful to the real thing.

Have you used a Pod XT or XT PRO before? With the right tweaker you can get REALLY good sounds out of them. Thanks for being a cool guy and not spoiling the thread. This is the kind of reaction/response I wanted. I think this was fun and pretty informative.

Yeah I'm all for modelling, but as I said, I just don't think its there yet.. I have a POD pro. but judging from you're tone, the pod is way...way behind the pod XT, there's not a a chance my crappy pod PRO could ever get that good.

As a result of this thread I drove for 30mins to the next relatively good guitar shop and gave the latest Line 6 gear a shot. It's gotten a **** load better since last I tried it all out... but still not quite right. I A/B it (a Spider/Bogner tube ******* thingy) against a Hughes & Kettner Duotone, and it didn't quite stack up, but it came pretty close, esp given the versatility. And it did alot of stuff better. Though, importantly, this was all at fairly low volumes, modeling seems to trip over itself up top of the volume ladder. Not long now, Modeling will take over... or at least it should.

I'm all for this tone guessing type thread. Its an awesome idea. Soon enough I'll put together a recorded tone for those who are interested and post it. I can only hope to get as good a trolls and genuinely interesting contributions as this thread has. Stay tuned.

 

[kk]

Yep. Nothing like a little digital vs analog, modeler vs real thing to get the boards heated up.

 

[venaleschatology]

Yep. Nothing like a little digital vs analog, modeler vs real thing to get the boards heated up.

Truth.

People get awfully worked up about it. But then I've heard of people getting worked up over issues of Lichen Taxonomy, that is to say, issues of naming different varieties of moss. When you've seen that almost degenerate into a hilariously inept fist fight, this seems kinda understandable.

 

[mikeymike]

Yeah you were very close haha. You have now acquired 10 cookies. Don't use them all in one place sonny. :wink:

I think modeling is great. In a live application they are probably really convincing. I would have to say that when I clone my recto preamp using my Pod XT PRO, the end result is very very faithful to the real thing.

Have you used a Pod XT or XT PRO before? With the right tweaker you can get REALLY good sounds out of them. Thanks for being a cool guy and not spoiling the thread. This is the kind of reaction/response I wanted. I think this was fun and pretty informative.

Yeah I'm all for modelling, but as I said, I just don't think its there yet.. I have a POD pro. but judging from you're tone, the pod is way...way behind the pod XT, there's not a a chance my crappy pod PRO could ever get that good.

As a result of this thread I drove for 30mins to the next relatively good guitar shop and gave the latest Line 6 gear a shot. It's gotten a sh!t load better since last I tried it all out... but still not quite right. I A/B it (a Spider/Bogner tube ******* thingy) against a Hughes & Kettner Duotone, and it didn't quite stack up, but it came pretty close, esp given the versatility. And it did alot of stuff better. Though, importantly, this was all at fairly low volumes, modeling seems to trip over itself up top of the volume ladder. Not long now, Modeling will take over... or at least it should.

I'm all for this tone guessing type thread. Its an awesome idea. Soon enough I'll put together a recorded tone for those who are interested and post it. I can only hope to get as good a trolls and genuinely interesting contributions as this thread has. Stay tuned.

To be perfectly honest, without modeling I would have never figured out that Mesa Boogie was the amp that had the sound I wanted. That's how good the Pod XT is if it's tweaked right. I have a Rectifier patch that sounds just like the real thing. I should know because I have a Recto Preamp and 2:100 to compare it to. It is nearly impossible to tell the difference when listening.

That spidervalve you played sucks compared to the Pod XT or XT live/pro or X3 series. I only got 2 trolls so I'd say this was pretty successful.

Some of you guys should post a clip in here. Mediafire is a great place to host stuff. I love it.

 

[mikeymike]

Yep. Nothing like a little digital vs analog, modeler vs real thing to get the boards heated up.

Truth.

People get awfully worked up about it. But then I've heard of people getting worked up over issues of Lichen Taxonomy, that is to say, issues of naming different varieties of moss. When you've seen that almost degenerate into a hilariously inept fist fight, this seems kinda understandable.

LOL that sound's like it would be hilarious to watch unfold..... :mrgreen:

 

[venaleschatology]

Some of you guys should post a clip in here. Mediafire is a great place to host stuff. I love it.

My mate and recording engineer extraordinaire just bought a new mackie desk and I just bought a new guitar, so some time in the next few weeks I'll post some stuff we do if I can stomach people listening to my piss poor playing.

 

[mikeymike]

Some of you guys should post a clip in here. Mediafire is a great place to host stuff. I love it.

My mate and recording engineer extraordinaire just bought a new mackie desk and I just bought a new guitar, so some time in the next few weeks I'll post some stuff we do if I can stomach people listening to my piss poor playing.

Awesome. I can't wait to hear it!

 

[Areola]

**** you guys have some crazy power plugs there. I was going to say mail your Roadking and Quad to me but, I wouldn't be able to plug them in! Would I? :?: I don't hate ya, I know someone who has a Studio Pre and a Quad and he doesn't use either. He has a 2:90 and an XT PRO like I do and he just uses the XT PRO for a preamp. I use mine for delays and other miscellaneous effects. You could always just mail me a jar of vegemite. I've heard it's horrid but, I'm strangely interested in it....

I just listened to the shotgun demo and the left channel was kinda muffled but I can hear a little similarity. I really like Dozed and Manchused though, it sounds very weird but interesting.

Yeah, we run on 240v here and our plugs are angled. However i've seen straight plugs which run on 240v been twisted to be angled and that still works. I wouldnt do that on an amp though. I personally HATE Vegemite. Many people say that makes me unaustralian, but it really is disgusting.

Obviously my 'Dozed and Manchused' tune is just a Guitar Pro MIDI that's been converted, but its still the same principle. That's just a lot of my stoner influences coming out... in particular Dozer and Fu Machu, hence the name. I'm honestly surprised how it ended up, because I never intended to write the song that way, it just happened and I'm really proud of it.

 

[mikeymike]

Okay guys here's another clip

http://www.mediafire.com/?ivyoihz2not

Tell me what you think!