WOW Read the manual and you will feel better!

[MarkIVwidebody]

http://www.mediafire.com/?zny4wmg0zom
They explain how the V has EXACTLY the same circuitry and make up of a IIC+ . That it just doesn't mimic a IIC but is MADE the way the best IIC they ever made was. All of the previous amps are made into the V and not just "sorta" like the older amps. Awesome read.
BTW....someone else posted this first.

 

[Gizzorge]

Thats what i am talking about. Too many questions on the forum, so i just waited for the PDF to show up so all would be reveled. Way to much for little ole me to type. It literally is like 3 (at the least 9? ) amps in one........

 

[Fixxer6671]

This is going to be one of those amps.

Glad Randall still cares to make the best products possible.

 

[lesterpaul]

http://www.mediafire.com/?zny4wmg0zom
They explain how the V has EXACTLY the same circuitry and make up of a IIC+ . That it just doesn't mimic a IIC but is MADE the way the best IIC they ever made was. All of the previous amps are made into the V and not just "sorta" like the older amps. Awesome read.

...this is going to stir quite a bit of fervor around here, regarding exact circuitry,etc...there has been exhaustive research into the C+ voodoo by many dedicated board members-time will tell how exact it is-search on vintage amp section,check out Boogiebabies C+ guide for dummies,Boogie Files...etc-I am going to have a fun summer.....

 

[Silverwulf]

Reading over the manual clears up quite a bit. It should answer these popular questions. Let me summarize here with some Cliff Notes:

1. How does it sound compared to the actual IIC+?

Well, after trying out a lot of IIC+ amps for comparison, it's actually modeled after what they consider the "holy grail" of actual IIC+ amps (best sounding one in their opinion), down to the last components. All EQ models have a one cap difference (larger, slower signal, fatter) to the non-EQ models (less sub-lows, tighter, more urgent). The V's IIC+ can use the EQ, but uses the smaller cap of the non-EQ model.

What does that mean? It means that the IIC+ in the V actually has a faster, tighter attack than original IIC+'s w/EQ's and you can add more bass (because of the lack of sub-lows) without it getting flubby. So to answer...how does the IIC+ mode sound compared to a real EQ model IIC+? Faster, tighter, and more urgent... :wink:

2. Is the Extreme Mode really just a Mark IV with the Presence knob pushed in?

No. It's based on that, but taken even further. According to Boogie, it's voiced almost the opposite of the Mark IV mode on the V. It has the most gain, it's aggressive, forward, and has "stop on a dime" dynamics. It's also the loudest due to the change in negative feedback in the power amp, which seems more extreme by description than what happens in the Mark IV. for those who played this mode and thought it sounded "Recto-ish," it's likely because the power section starts looking more similar to the Rectos Red mode. Not that it will make it sound like a Recto, but the similar feature will definitely lend itself to being more modern.

So rest assured, Extreme is a LOT more than just a Mark IV with the Presence pushed in.

 

[MusicManJP6]

Mesa manuals are the easiest and most enjoyable manuals in the world to read. They are very well written and fun yet informative.

 

[kiff]

hmm... maybe they should've worded this part just a tad different?

So, if you run into II-C+ snobs who brag about their amps or doubt the authenticity of your rendering, smile and feel a pang of pity for the price they probably paid and let them have their glory. After all, they need their pride because they don’t have the other 8 amplifiers you have on board to express themselves with.

 

[lesterpaul]

yep...why poke fun at the ones who spent $$ on YOUR product and helped build the reputation of your company?..I am a C+ snob who will also own a V, so feel no pity :lol: interesting, indeed-stay tuned

 

[Silverwulf]

Nothing wrong with that statement. It's not there to offend anyone. It's the company talking about their own amps. Besides, a true cork sniffing elitist would just roll their eyes at that statement anyway, they wouldn't take offense... :mrgreen:

 

[lesterpaul]

it is..interesting....marketing???self deprecating humor?....all of the C+ cats I know are cool dudes, and I know 3 of them ! :lol:

 

[MarkIVwidebody]

They are more worried about non IIC+ owners buying a V than worrying about IIC+ owners buying a V on top of the IIC+ they already have. They are going to hype the V. The IIC+'s are sold already.

 

[rabies]

http://www.mediafire.com/?zny4wmg0zom
They explain how the V has EXACTLY the same circuitry and make up of a IIC+ . That it just doesn't mimic a IIC but is MADE the way the best IIC they ever made was. All of the previous amps are made into the V and not just "sorta" like the older amps. Awesome read.

printing now! thx buddy.