Who prefers piezos to a real acoustic?

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I've been in the market for an acoustic for a while now (Ovation Elite or Collector's), but have also been thinking about piezo bridges. GraphTech should have their piezo Floyd saddles done any day now, and it would be kinda cool to have them in my Hamer Centaura.

I've heard the GraphTech Ghosts have a much better acoustic response over Fishman/Baggs type retrofit bridges.

Who out there prefers (or would prefer, if given the option) having piezos in their electric for acoustic sounds, over having an actual acoustic on hand, and having to physically switch between the acoustic and electric during/between songs?
 
I have two PRS guitars with Graphtech Ghost Piezo systems installed. I ended up moving away from my old Ovation acoustic altogether. From a performance standpoint, it's a lot easier to flip a switch than it is to swap guitars. The PRSi are also much easier to play than the Ovation was.

As far as the sound, I compared both of them to the OP-24+ preamp in the Ovation. It seemed to be a lot tougher to get a good sound out of it than with the Ghost systems. I really do prefer the Ghost system.
 
also, ovation being made of plastic sounds like crap, no matter how much you spend on one, no matter how advanced the electronics are. its still plastic. either get a good peizo system installed on an electric, or get a decent accoustic thats actually made of solid wood!
 
I agree with vulture. Ovation is not a guitar, it's a plastic toy made by Mattel.

It's certainly not what I would use in any kind of acoustic tone comparison. :roll:

Get a real acoustic.
 
I have a Warmoth strat with the LR Baggs X-Bridge and X-Conrtols, I also have a EB/MM Petrucci. Both piezos are very similar and do sound good live, However, I have yet to hear anything better than a Doyle Dykes signature Taylor. It comes stock with LR Baggs Hex system. I was very impressed and if I had a decent acoustic...I would seek to put the hex system in it.
 
I just got a Taylor 710 ce ltd. from my lovely wife as a Christmas present. It has the Taylor expression system, which in my opinion sounds EXACTLY the same thru my PA as it does acoustically...which is to say...awesome.


Incidentally, the Taylor replaces a 1990 Ovation Collector's Edition...and I have to agree with the others...acoustic sound was crap...stage was better than average. piezo bridges beat the ovation, but the Taylor beats them all.


RB
 
the expression system is AWESOME. its truly revolutionary. for those of you who dont know, it contains a piezo in the bridge combined with two sensors located on the bottom of the top of the guitar that literally pick up vibrations coming right off the top. the top is what primarily moves air to create sound vibrations. also, the positions of the two sensors is just awesome. one is under the high frets of the neck to give nice mids and highs, and the other is located right under where your strumming arm hits the top, picking up bass and percussiveness of your strumming!

try the thing out with the Bose system at a GC and wear a diaper.
 
My Martin DC Aura uses the Fishman Prefix Aura System which is both a piezo and samples of classic Martins recorded with various mics. You can adjust how much of each tone you want and "blend" them via a slider whihc makes for some very cool combos.

Oh yeah, the basic tone of the acoustic does just fine on it's own ;)
 
I use the same acoustic and love it. However, I do like Ovation's higher end products as they are toneful, unique and very exprressive instruments in their own right.

Red Barchetta said:
I just got a Taylor 710 ce ltd. from my lovely wife as a Christmas present. It has the Taylor expression system, which in my opinion sounds EXACTLY the same thru my PA as it does acoustically...which is to say...awesome.
 
i just got big critics from Conductor today.
i'm playin few songs with a Brassband and hesaid tthe tone is too 'electric' ;D that he wants more acoustic and more full sound... i dunno, its prolly cause it looked too electric.
cause when i turned the trebles down that he liked it, it sounded like an acoustic with rubber strings.
 
I think they both have their place. I choose an acoustic, cuz I have another guitarist in the band to play the electric parts...when I was by myself, I'd have preferred piezo saddles, so I could switch back and forth on the fly.

If you are gonna be able to just play the acoustic for those numbers, or you can hand off to a roadie, go with an acoustic. If you have to switch from one to the other mid song, go for the saddles. Your audience won't know the difference, usually, and they can sound really good if plugged thru a separate amp, preamp or channel on the board.


RB
 
I prefer having a piezo guitar because I've got limited space. I think an acoustic would sound better, but I don't have enough room for anymore guitars.
 
vulture2600 said:
the expression system is AWESOME. its truly revolutionary. for those of you who dont know, it contains a piezo in the bridge combined with two sensors located on the bottom of the top of the guitar that literally pick up vibrations coming right off the top. the top is what primarily moves air to create sound vibrations. also, the positions of the two sensors is just awesome. one is under the high frets of the neck to give nice mids and highs, and the other is located right under where your strumming arm hits the top, picking up bass and percussiveness of your strumming!

try the thing out with the Bose system at a GC and wear a diaper.

I thought the same thing when it first came out. I thought ****, it's so dynamic, and it sounds real. Great concepts, and the dynamic range and feedback rejection are second to none. But after playing an ES equipped guitar at volume, I'm over my initial excitement. It sounds more like a jazzbox than a real acoustic. Those pickups are essentiall magnetic pickups. Sure, it's probably one of the smoothest mags going, but I hate magnetic pickups on an acoustic guitar. The low end sounds great, G, A, and D strings sound great. The higher end blows. The B and E sound like if you were to pick over the neck. I tend to pick just behind or over the soundhole, and that tone in a lot different. With the ES, it doesn't matter. It still sounds like that. Cowboy chords sound OK, but when you move up past the third fret on the unwound strings, only poo is available. Also, the noise is incredible. It picks up more stray interference than a crappy wireless.
I think it's a great concept, but requires some serious tweaking. For instance, maybe a different type of transducer in the neck may take away some of the bulbousness on the unwound strings, or perhaps if they were to work in some type of EQ on that particular sensor to make that go away. I have pretty extensive EQ's on my mixer, and I can't dial it out.

Not trying to start fights, but I have some strong feelings about acoustic amplification.

I know it's not a true acoustic tone, but I far prefer the dual source, and blender systems.
I tried the Aura standalone version, again, wanting to love it, but from the beginning, I hated it. No matter what setting, I dialed in, it always sounded thinner/crappier with the Aura engaged. I have heard the Martins with the Aura onboard, and in my opinion they were good sounding systems.

One system I'd like to try is the K&K system. Clips sounded promising, and I have a 412 that has a piezo only system, and has taken a beating. I think it may be at least worth a try.

The Bose stick! OMG Another thing I was just ultra impressed with till I heard it at a gig. I heard my friend play it for a set or 2, and he let me play a couple tunes, and I just really didn't enjoy it as much as 2 good old speaker cabs. But for ease of setup/teardown, and carrying, it's phenomenal.

To address the original topic, I think if you are bringing an acoustic guitar(and I would because I love acoustics. Hell, my only gigs right now are solo acoustic.) you are just bringing it for you. Very few people in the crowd will appreciate or notice the fact that you are using a Piezo bridge in a band scenario. Hell, I've seen guys just use the clean channel, and still get roaring applause for the song they were playing, just because they played great tunes, and played the hell out of them.
 
Piezos can never sound as good as a properly mic'd acoustic. That popping sound you get with a piezo just can't be avoided without picking softly or reducing the treble.

Real acoustic > Piezo any day of the week/day/month :lol:
 
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