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thegaindeli needs to go...

  • Strongly agree

    Votes: 27 64.3%
  • Agree

    Votes: 5 11.9%
  • Neutral

    Votes: 5 11.9%
  • Disagree

    Votes: 1 2.4%
  • Strongly disagree

    Votes: 4 9.5%

  • Total voters
    42
lesterpaul said:
ahhhh..all things smell vintage around here again...call me a snob, a cork sniffer if you will, but I do prefer a fine vintage over the cheap port we have dealt with lately-well done, mods-bottoms up :)

Yes indeed. I'm with you. :)
Jim
 
av8or3 said:
lesterpaul said:
ahhhh..all things smell vintage around here again...call me a snob, a cork sniffer if you will, but I do prefer a fine vintage over the cheap port we have dealt with lately-well done, mods-bottoms up :)

Yes indeed. I'm with you. :)
Jim
Here, here!
 
druckpig said:
are you going to avoid answering the question again...

IS THE OUTPUT TRANSFORMER IN THE AMP THE ORIGINAL TRANSFORMER ,YES OR NO..

I had my MKIIC simulcass converted to a MKIIC+ by Mike B. at Boogie. I couldn't tell you what parts were changed or replaced. I would have to email Mike and get exactly what parts he used. Do I need to do this if I sell it on ebay? I would think that saying Mike B. or Mesa Boogie converted my amp to a MKIIC+ from MKIIC would be enough. That says the amp is not original and it has the Mike B. conversion.

SW's amp was converted to a 60/100 from a simulcass. SW said the amp was converted. Part of that conversion is a different OT. The amp wouldn't work with the simulclass OT. TGD got what he paid for. It has the right parts for a 60/100 MKIIC+ conversion. SW never said the amp was completely original.

If it were me instead of TDG, I would have been miffed at first but after doing the research I would have realized the amp is correct and left it at that.
 
I usually Buy an amp for its sound the fact that it has been modified by Mike B should be the end of it. Yes it probably should have noted. But if he comes out and says its the best amp he has ever heard and then puts it up for sale not long after I'm Confused

But getting into the argument about stock or modified C+'s being worth more than the other I would think a C+ is a C+ if the Mods were done by Mike B.
My other concern is if an original C+ went for a tune up and had parts replaced then would it lose its value be cause like a converted C+ it is no longer as standard even though it probably sounds better with the new parts.

My Question is an 100% original C+ not working right because it needs new caps or whatever worth more than a tuned up original C+ or a converted.

Is the worth worked out by how it sounds or whats original.
It is noted on this forum that not any 2 C+'s will sound the same due to parts availibility etc.
 
druckpig said:
I buy any amp for the sound also, but I may want to sell it on at some point and I dont want to find out when I put it on ebay that people are not willing to pay what I paid for it because they have a better knowledge of boogies than me and have spotted changes that I didnt know about when I bought it

buyer beware just doesent cover it

changing the output transformer isnt just tuning it up really is it ?

You just don't get it. The transformer is exactly the same as in the original 60/100 amps, even if it was produced later. The amp is a conversion/modification done by the right people at Mesa Boogie.
 
Jim Ed Love said:
druckpig said:
I buy any amp for the sound also, but I may want to sell it on at some point and I dont want to find out when I put it on ebay that people are not willing to pay what I paid for it because they have a better knowledge of boogies than me and have spotted changes that I didnt know about when I bought it

buyer beware just doesent cover it

changing the output transformer isnt just tuning it up really is it ?

You just don't get it. The transformer is exactly the same as in the original 60/100 amps, even if it was produced later. The amp is a conversion/modification done by the right people at Mesa Boogie.
I wonder if druckpig and thegaindeli are the same person??
 
druckpig said:
I do get it just fine thanks , point is as a buyer I want to given the choice to decide if I feel its something to take into consideration before buying....

not find out after ive bought it

An educated and picky buyer usually asks the right questions before purchasing. The value assigned to used items often has factors that go beyond what the "market" in general consider relevant.

Such is the case of this amp. Mesa told the owner it was upgraded to a IIc+ and it sounded good to him.

It's kinda like you buy a corvette that originally had an automatic transmission on it but was converted to a manual shift. When the new owner gets it, he finds out that the transmission is indeed manual, however the shifter knob is not the one that was on the original shifter. Is this fraud? Only the buyer can consider it as such, and it's up to a court to decide whether or not his opinion is valid.

My point is, the seller cannot be expected to point out every little aspect of the item for sale. If the buyer has expectations, it's up to him to investigate the product to ensure that it meets said expectations. If it doesn't, he does not make the purchase.

Unfortunately for TGD, the item was delivered "fit for the purpose of sale".. which means, that it is an amp that was upgraded to a IIc+ as advertised and that all the components and features were working. Since there was no stipulation regarding the transformer in the original contract of sale it will be VERY difficult to convince a small claims judge that there is a case here. Even though TGD claims that it's "common sense" that the transformer be of a certain type, indicated by the numbering on the transformer, it's obviously not "common sense" as it has caused some confusion.

So TGD, I implore you to seek legal counsel on the matter, that is, if you haven't already. If you have gotten counsel and they are suggesting you take it to court, you should. If you haven't gotten legal counsel, I sincerely hope you don't try and take this to court yourself. It is a difficult thing convincing a judge that your lack of diligence in your research should result in a judgment against the seller.

At very best, you can expect the transaction to be reversed, and you will likely have to cough up shipping back to the seller. However, your jurisdiction may treat the case differently than others have in similar cases. You will also have to revert the amp to the same condition it was in when you received it. Failure to do so will cause your case to fail in court.

Good luck
 
druckpig said:
I do get it just fine thanks , point is as a buyer I want to given the choice to decide if I feel its something to take into consideration before buying....

not find out after ive bought it

I completely understand and agree, but in the end everything in the amp is as it should be. Why start a war? The fact that the amp is a mod/conversion already means the amp is not a factory original, but the mods are up to specifications. I would keep the amp and leave negative feedback on ebay.
 
i think the bottom line here is, no amp is going to make you a better player.
 
How come TGD didn't ask if it was the exact transformer that he wanted? A simple phone call or E-Mail with a couple of pictures could of prevented a lot of problems. Did that take place?
 
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