POLL: Time to say bye-bye for good?

[pokerrules47]

You know what they say, fighting on the internet is like.....

Anyway, with all due respect thegaindeli, take it to court, you have a truly great case. It's going to be one of those precedent cases that all civil lawyers will cite when making a case. Oh yes, I almost forgot... shut the @#$k up. You are a moron, you always will be, there is no cure for it. I am surprised that darwinism hasn't taken care of you yet. No, that's not a threat! Now, I do not expect you to shut up, really, we've all learned that you are simply incapable of rational thought. So I guess I meant, carry on being the cretin you are, hopefully people will ignore you.

Silverwulf, stop being a dick and just ignore him... you don't have to keep repeating yourself just because he is. He's pulling your strings, aka !@#king with you, and every time you reply to him, you look like a moron. Seriously dude, we all know you misrepresented the amp (read "did not fully disclose the originality of all the components"). Whether it was from ignorance, or greed, who the hell cares. Simple fact, you posted an e-bay auction for an amp, put in enough information to make it tempting this poor sod, and no one can every judge whether or not he got a "good" deal, but him. If he feels he got ripped, he should have inspected the amp upon delivery and dealt with it then... since he didn't, he's out of luck.

And mods, I don't usually get involved in this kind of idiocy on the forum, however I felt like entertaining myself, knowing this thread will get deleted like all the others...

 

[pokerrules47]

Are you related to Nancy Pelosi? :lol:

Are you Nancy Grace?

***EDIT****

Sorry, Nancy Grace eclipses you in every way....

 

[lesterpaul]

Umm, yeah...it's an upgraded IIC+...that does involve part changes.

anyway, please bring it to court. It'll be right there with your admissions of lies, threats, etc.

No Jr. - it's a Mark IIC Simi that's been converted to a 60/100 via a major component change! Oh! And it's been MODIFIED to a C+. No C+ PCB was installed into it!

You just don't get it.

...and he is not alone...seems like a few don't get it-shame this stuff has to be in the vintage forum,eh? btw...love the link you provided earlier,BB

 

[pokerrules47]

We need a new option on the poll tho

"Is this the most stupid thread ever on the boogie board??"

 

[GIG4FUN]

What does TGD do with his guitar amplifiers anyway? Does he use it as a PA system to call out bids at auctions in cow barns or something?

Is he too much of a fat a$$ to play a guitar because he spends all of his time at a keyboard instead of onstage?

I am sure surprised with the mind of this guy. I bet he loves the amp and is so gald it is in his life so he can have hissy fits about the wires rather than the sound.

I bet he hasn't turned this amp on for its intended use either. He has hooked that transformer up to the shock therapy device he needs so desperately.

It should be hooked up to his sack and turned up to 100 watts to fry his nuts... but, truely, he has an empty sack.

He is full of crazy.

"nutless nut" I shall consider him

 

[JOEY B.]

How about a new poll. Does this "correct" replacement transformer installed at Boogie by Mike B. devalue an upgraded C>C+ amplifier? My old MkI was modded by him twice, once for the "Post FX Level" upgrade and again 15 years later with a PTP reverb addition. My answer would be a big HELL NO. :shock: Funny thing is that I bought my first C+ without any knowledge of transformer codes. I just knew that it sounded **** good.

 

[av8or3]

The more you stir ****, the more it stinks. Let's all let it go. TGD may or may not find his way, personally I don't care whether he does or does not.
FWIW, as a collector I wouldn't have been attracted to this amp because it was advertised as an upgraded IIC. Point is, there was plenty of information given to wave off anybody who was looking for originality, for whatever reason. If somebody wanted an amp that could be said to sound the same as a C+, and it wasn't important that it be original, then this amp would have filled the bill, regardless of the price advertised/paid. It is AS ADVERTISED IN EVERY WAY.
I don't think Silverwulf's motives were bad, I think he did his best to disclose everything of importance, meaning IF YOU WANT AN ORIGINAL IIC+ THIS IS NOT THE AMP FOR YOU. However, if it's tone you're after this will not disappoint. And I may have missed something, but I don't believe TGD has said the amp sounds bad.
Silverwulf, let it go.
TGD, don't go away mad, just go away.
Enough already,please.
Jim

 

[dodger916]

The more you stir sh!t, the more it stinks. Let's all let it go. TGD may or may not find his way, personally I don't care whether he does or does not.
FWIW, as a collector I wouldn't have been attracted to this amp because it was advertised as an upgraded IIC. Point is, there was plenty of information given to wave off anybody who was looking for originality, for whatever reason. If somebody wanted an amp that could be said to sound the same as a C+, and it wasn't important that it be original, then this amp would have filled the bill, regardless of the price advertised/paid. It is AS ADVERTISED IN EVERY WAY.
I don't think Silverwulf's motives were bad, I think he did his best to disclose everything of importance, meaning IF YOU WANT AN ORIGINAL IIC+ THIS IS NOT THE AMP FOR YOU. However, if it's tone you're after this will not disappoint. And I may have missed something, but I don't believe TGD has said the amp sounds bad.
Silverwulf, let it go.
TGD, don't go away mad, just go away.
Enough already,please.
Jim

+1. In fact, TGD wrote that it was one of the best amps he'd ever played.

 

[stephen sawall]

I did not read any of this thread ....

I do not know anything about any of this at all or anyone involved ..... But I believe the owner(s) of the forum should the only one deciding who comes and goes.


If you do not like it here or the people that come here you can use friends a foes / block them or leave yourself.

Foes are users which will be ignored by default. Posts by these users will not be fully visible. Personal messages from foes are still permitted. Please note that you cannot ignore moderators or administrators.

This is what most do .....

 

[dodger916]

If two amps are on ebay at the same time
both amps are IIc conversions to IIc+ and are described as such
both amps are the same model and year
both sellers are asking $2300

one seller describes his amp as 100 % original including all transformers

one seller mentions in his listing that his amp had to have a replacement output transformer because it was converted by choice from simulclass to 100/60

as both amps are the same price which amp do you think buyers would choose when making a comparison ?

To answer your question, the buyer should chose whether he wants a Simul or 60/100. Neither amp is a production C+, so they shouldn't carry the factory C+ collector's premium. I could see your point if that particular transformer was not in production when the C+ was being made. But as many of the boards most knowledgeable members have stated, the later runs of C+ used it, and then the Mark IIIs used it. So really it's not relevant, because had you bought the 60/100 from the factory, it would have the exact same transformer. It's a modded amp, so as long as it's a spec 60/100, it shouldn't matter.

But that's not the point here. This thread is not whether TGD paid too much for an amp that, in his own words, was one of the best amps he'd ever played. It's whether his response on this board to this perceived "theft" is appropriate for this board in the opinion of the members. Obviously it carries no weight. He made his case here two days ago, and it was clear he wasn't getting much support as this is somewhat of a gray issue and his approach is abrasive at best. In response he went on name-calling rants laced with veiled threats to Silverwulf, even to the point of indicting those who did not agree with him. The point is to poll whether members believe someone who behaves in this manner here should be ousted. It's an issue of decorum, not who's right. If Silverwulf behaved in the same manner, I'd question whether he belonged here.

 

[dodger916]

If two amps are on ebay at the same time
both amps are IIc conversions to IIc+ and are described as such
both amps are the same model and year
both sellers are asking $2300

one seller describes his amp as 100 % original including all transformers

one seller mentions in his listing that his amp had to have a replacement output transformer because it was converted by choice from simulclass to 100/60

as both amps are the same price which amp do you think buyers would choose when making a comparison ?

To answer your question, the buyer should chose whether he wants a Simul or 60/100. Neither amp is a production C+, so they shouldn't carry the factory C+ collector's premium. I could see your point if that particular transformer was not in production when the C+ was being made. But as many of the boards most knowledgeable members have stated, the later runs of C+ used it, and then the Mark IIIs used it. So really it's not relevant, because had you bought the 60/100 from the factory, it would have the exact same transformer. It's a modded amp, so as long as it's a spec 60/100, it shouldn't matter.

But that's not the point here. This thread is not whether TGD paid too much for an amp that, in his own words, was one of the best amps he'd ever played. It's whether his response on this board to this perceived "theft" is appropriate for this board in the opinion of the members. Obviously it carries no weight. He made his case here two days ago, and it was clear he wasn't getting much support as this is somewhat of a gray issue and his approach is abrasive at best. In response he went on name-calling rants laced with veiled threats to Silverwulf, even to the point of indicting those who did not agree with him. The point is to poll whether members believe someone who behaves in this manner here should be ousted. It's an issue of decorum, not who's right. If Silverwulf behaved in the same manner, I'd question whether he belonged here.

suprise suprise you didnt answer the question just put some spin on it instead

I asked which one would you buy based on the listing info the ist one or second one

are you trying to tell me I cant voice my opinion on this forum ?

and that this thread is soley for your use ? ... I dont think so matey...

its becoming very apparent that what I see as a blatant case of misselling is now being used as an issue by a group of likeminded people who are as equally if not more malicious than thegaindeli to just bully and beat thegaindeli on the head with something

who do you think you are ? setting up your little lynch mob

the forum owners or mods decide policy re members posting priviliges not you,are you going to try to silence me also ? do you think you can bully me

I will keep repeating it silverwulf is in the wrong
if the amp been sold to someone else things would be different if they complained
the listing should of been clear it wasnt

Im not disputing the fact that thegaindeli behaved badly
fair enough your right on that score .. but the rest of it is just plain wrong

im guessing the majority of haters of the gaindeli will win out on this one

I just hope that no one here who has contributed to this little witch hunt gets burned on an ebay deal because someother fcukwit underhanded sneaky seller conveniently forgets to mention something in there listing
cause if someone here buys it ,it would be a real shame then wouldnt it ?

you know how it goes ... what goes around comes around...

I did answer your question. I said the buyer should decide whether he wants Simul or 60/100, because they are equal in terms of not being factory originals. As long as they are both spec for their model and the major components are the correct vintage, it becomes a question of which model you want because neither is worthy of the collector premium.

How do conclude that anyone is restricting your opinion? The issue is DECORUM, and whether the members believe his behavior should be tolerated. You even concur that TGD behaved poorly.

There are two central points:
1) While Silverwulf omitted the fact that it was modded from a Simul to 60/100, it's really not relevant because the amp is a spec 60/100 with the proper transformer. Curiously, TGD omitted this fact from the three auctions he posted trying to re-sell it. If you believe TGD is honorable, then it suggests an honorable man does not deem this fact relevant. In that case, why the fuss? However, if you believe the fact is relevant (as TGD clearly does), then everything he says about Silverwulf applies to him. Actually, you can add hypocrit to that list.

2) The more pressing issue is the campaign of character bashing he employed to sway "public opinion" (his words) in his favor. It's inappropriate, and IMO merits the question posted by the poll.

 

[dodger916]

Im sorry ? did Tgd really try to sell the amp and not mention the changes

do you have a link to the auction please

Yes. He basically took the language from Silverwulf: http://cgi.ebay.com/Mesa-Mark-IIC-C...emQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item439b3f2e64

and this: http://cgi.ebay.com/Mesa-Boogie-Mar...emQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item45eef8d9a3

and this: http://cgi.ebay.com/Mesa-Boogie-Mar...emQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item45eef785d9

 

[iFreedom]

How many users did TGD create on this board?

The seller was in the wrong , if it had been another member he had sold to it wouldnt of been overlooked and just been turned into an issue to beat thegaindeli on the head with...

if any vintage amp ... marshall plexi ,boogie mkIIc+ tweed fender etc
is sold on ebay and something like a transformer has been changed ...
then it MUST be mentioned in the ebay listing , no excuses no reason whatsoever for not mentioning it in the listing

if it isnt mentioned then SOMETHING IS WRONG... its the buyers right .. me you or anyone to be be fully informed ,anything ommited is still a deception.. and its ommitted because its not in the sellers interest to mention it

This is a great statement! I wanted to say something like this, but I think you put it better than I could have. The only problem is, CAVEAT EMPTOR. This is by no means a new concept and the absolute high risk of buying something site unseen or otherwise, online. That is why it is in the buyers best interest to ask questions and weigh the risks. I suppose (and certainly not taking sides here) that if the seller is confident that his amp is what he claims, through and through, then a resale shouldn't be that difficult, for either the original or the new seller.

To me, voting to ban tgd doesn't make much sense as this is a forum - I certainly to do not endorse the guy, or anybody else for that matter.

 

[lesterpaul]

If two amps are on ebay at the same time
both amps are IIc conversions to IIc+ and are described as such
both amps are the same model and year
both sellers are asking $2300

one seller describes his amp as 100 % original including all transformers

one seller mentions in his listing that his amp had to have a replacement output transformer because it was converted by choice from simulclass to 100/60

as both amps are the same price which amp do you think buyers would choose when making a comparison ?

just going to answer the question -I have been a buyer(a Coli and a B conversion...)-my choice would come down to this:do I want a simul or 100/60?Personally, I have a simul, and I might like to add a 100/60 to the herd-the fact that the conversion was done by Mike B/Mesa makes it an easy decision in my book(already done that one before)-if guitarbob did it in south Huntsville, hell no

 

[lesterpaul]

..hey, lets get the name calling right,ok guys?I am a "C+ snob", according to Doug West...

 

[Boogiebabies]

This auction is for a virtually mint, NOS looking Mesa Mark IIC+ in a 1X12 Combo with original Mesa EV12L 200W speaker. Operates flawlessly, no rusting anywhere, and no issues. This is a loaded beast! GEQ, Reverb, Presence, and the fabled MESA/Shumacher PT105 transformer. Identical configuration to James Hetfield's "Crunch Berries" amp! The Mark IIC, and IIC+ (up to 7/84) were equipped with proprietary valued CTS pots. In July of 84, MESA decided to use generic value CTS pots, and then added additional circuitry (caps/resistors) to meet the required specs. This has been said to be the reason why the earlier amps have a more desirable tone than the later models. This is not a "modded" Mark IIC. Mike B. installed an actual factory new IIC+ board back in the mid 80's. Not many amps were done in this manner. Some euphemistically refer to these as "pre-production" Mark IIC+ amps. The only difference between the Mark IIC, and Mark IIC+ is the PCB. If you didn't get a C+ PCB when they were available - the existing Mark IIC board had to be "modded" to Mark IIC+ specs. These sound quite different from an actual Mark IIC+ board. It is serial number 11076. You call MESA to confirm the IIC+ installation status of this amp. Other than some discoloration to the grill-cloth, a small frayed spot on it - this amp is almost a NOS relic. This will ship via FedEx insured delivery. NOTE: This amp will also come loaded with a $350.00 quad of USA MESA STR415 power tubes! These are the best 6L6 tubes you can buy.

You call me full of **** from Mike B.'s mouth and now you state it's a PCB swap? I guess I am good enough for you to steal my words and twist them to your advantage and skewed opinion. I would like to see you validate all of your so called accurate points in this version of the E-Bay listing. It makes zero sense and is a total
fabrication in your mind to try and dump this amp onto the next unsuspecting owner. You words are a total fabrication with the expressed intent to
deceive people. The IIC+ guide and any information derived from my opinion is for everyone to have the opportunity to educate themselves on these amplifiers.
It was not done to satisfy my ego, persona, status or standing among forum members. It was also not done so people like you could blatantly reinterpret it for your
advantage. Maybe if you took the time to slow down your compulsions of instant gratification, buyers remorse and entitlement you would have known enough to ask
questions before you purchased it. There are a handful of other forum members who have taken the time and effort to learn as much as anyone else to become
a trusted resource for information and identification on the IIC+. It disgusts me to see their effort and reputations lumped into what you and your mystery friend
correlate as a gang. Let me say that you have been supported as much as possible by this forum and it's members to justify the fact that your amp is a IIC+ and
we have provided insight, information and facts to it's history and validity. Your arrogance and behavior have been your downfall. You could have easily accepted our help and moved on privately, but you chose to contact Mike B. who is I am sure not in any mood for this topic and spin you story. If you had opened your eyes and accepted out help with
at least a gram of gratitude the whole issue would have been seen in a different light. I have taken enough time on this issue to be honest, understanding and impartial.
I apologize if you feel like you were getting stoned, chastised and belittled, but when you make it personal there is no other way to take it. I think it's time to move on.
If you ever have any questions you feel I could be helpful in answering, please feel free to ask privately.

 

[Sixstringpsycho]

OMG this is seriously still going on HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[ryjan]

Isn't it funny how this guys life is completely turned inside out over something so trivial. It's a guitar amp. This guy is acting like someone sold him a $500,000 house that was used to cook meth. Perspective, get some.

 

[4406cuda]

It seems like his life got turned upside down after the first Mark V he bought.

He should have stuck with the Gaytone, oops, Guytone he had or the Cornhole, oops I meant Cornford.

:lol:

 

[pokerrules47]

I welcome a challenge! Any chance to stand up for what it right... I'm in!
I'm extremely let-down by what has happened. However, I don't think that SW is really a "bad person". I think he's sacrificed his morals for profit... It's just that simple. He knows it... Unfortunately, the allure of "cash in the pocket" trumps all! It's not the kind of world we live in - it's the world we've created for ourselves. Look at the sh!t that happened with the bank bailouts... It's all about profit now my friends. A "run away train" as they say... And nobody gives a f%&# who gets hit! :roll:

You are such a pussy, get a lawyer to settle this.... I bet you called one already and they laughed in your face...