NAD (Mesa Mark.... IIC+) Pics and Gut shots inside!!!!

[ryjan]

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:shock:

 

[Boogiebabies]

nice amp. I watched that one til the last second. I seriously cant believe how you guys can pay so much for a 2 channel amp that renders one useless to make the other sound good. Yes i do realize how good they sound but jeez. Still not understanding the hiding of serial numbers. Anyone that saw that auction could plainly see the serial number the seller posted. It was OBVIOUS that it was a IIC+ from the start. You could clearly see the "+" on the chassis in the pics. Congrats on your new amp and your months to pay off a credit card. :lol:

Kind of like how you have a 3 channel amp with one set of controls? BTW, all of my amps (amongst them, 2 IIC+'s) have gone up or kept their value since purchase. How about yours? Don't knock others for their purchases. It's kind of rude. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

I dont mean to be rude about it, that wasnt my intent. Im jsut floored at what these go for knowing its limitations. As for the mark III I have, it didnt cost nearly as much as that and I coould sell it any day of the week for what I paid, if not more, which was around 900 shipped. After hearing many different clips of the IIC+ and what i hear from my III, Im not seeing a huge difference in tone to warrant the IIC+ costing nearly 2500 more than mine. I guess its all subjective, I personally dont see it but thats ok. If someone has that kind of money to spend, then more power to em. Glad this guy got the amp of his dreams and had the money to pay for it. I guess i just need to play one in person rather than listen to clips.

It's polite to refrain your buyers remorse to amps that you purchase. I would have given 3K and a testicle for that amp if I had either to spare.
A DRGX 15 is the Holy Grail with a side of the Ark of the Covenant.

 

[ryjan]

It's polite to refrain your buyers remorse to amps that you purchase. I would have given 3K and a testicle for that amp if I had either to spare.
A DRGX 15 is the Holy Grail with a side of the Ark of the Covenant.

And one Megan Fox nipple. :lol:

 

[JOEY B.]

It's polite to refrain your buyers remorse to amps that you purchase. I would have given 3K and a testicle for that amp if I had either to spare.
A DRGX 15 is the Holy Grail with a side of the Ark of the Covenant.

And one Megan Fox nipple. :lol:

And if were a short chassis model, it would have sold for more money. I can guarantee that. :twisted: The only limitations with the C+ are held within the player of the amp. :wink:

 

[metalmarlon]

Very good assessment JB !!!

The bias has to appear hotter on the export because the plate voltage is 25-30V less. In the end with tube pulling a load the bias is exactly near the 105 specs,
but adjusted for the lower Export voltage. To fix the outer sockets to run EL-34's you can use pin 6 from the inner sockets. The amps from June-August 1984
all seem to have bad socket clamps and wiggle so bad that the pins snap, mainly on 2 and 7 for some reason. The best fix is to flood the pins with solder to keep
them from flexing. The extra RCA jack for the reverb is a replacement for the original one under the board. The person who repaired it probably did not know about
the grounding issue and ran a new jack. The original jacks input is on the V3A pin 2. The trace goes under the .01 orange drop and you will see the solder tab from
the jacks is connected via a hole drilled through the board. It's impossible to fix without removing the preamp. The 1 wire mod is the Boogie repair, so I don't think this was
done by Mike B. The 10K resistors over the 220K's is a little goofy just to get 210K. I would remove the 10K's because the 220K not only sees the negative bias voltage,
but the preamp signal from the PI. The C+ had four different face plates depending on the chassis length and EQ option. This amp, like all EQ optioned amps has an EQ
auto function. This one is in the middle position.

I don't know how you can know so much about this stuff :shock:

You too JOEY B.

I really appreciate the info on this. I want to put EL34s in the outer sockets. What should I do? Should I just pop them in and rock, or should I look into fixing some of these little things you are pointing out? I am not one to know this stuff, I can take really detailed gut shots if you would like to help me out. But honestly, if it is not going to make that much of a difference I would rather not dink around with my large $ purchase like this.

And I will admit that this is an investment purchase to me. With seemingly very limited #'s of factory C+'s, I don't see how the price can go anywhere but up. And if will be killer when I go into the studio.

I don't think I will ever play shows with, it to be honest. It would be just too great a risk.

 

[cremona]

HI BB i have a questian for you

I have a questian regarding the export tranny, will there be eny difference in sound when running the export on USA 110 volts compared to european 230 volts ?.


I have a DRG c+ with a 100 pt running 110 volts , shuld i expect a diffenrece in tone compared to the export running on 230 volts ?

regards

 

[JOEY B.]

I really appreciate the info on this. I want to put EL34s in the outer sockets. What should I do? Should I just pop them in and rock, or should I look into fixing some of these little things you are pointing out? I am not one to know this stuff, I can take really detailed gut shots if you would like to help me out. But honestly, if it is not going to make that much of a difference I would rather not dink around with my large $ purchase like this.

The EL-34 type tubes need the #7 pin grounded in order to operate in a more stable state. The amp will not go into a meltdown without the pins connected to ground, but there might be some issues with long term loud playing. This operarion would take place if the amp was sent to Boogie for maintenance and will not harm the value in any way. The extra resistors could be easily clipped out of the circuit, also.

 

[>Photi G<]

Wait, is this the one on eBay that was supposed to be owned by Aerosmith or something?

Otherwise very nice.

Start with the sample settings in the manual. you can download it from Mesa's website here: http://www.mesaboogie.com/manuals/Mark II-C Manual - Maintenance & Repair.pdf

 

[Skyless7620]

...now, I wonder what I can get for my C+ Coli...hmmmmmmm 8)

I don't know, how much you want for it? :wink:

that is a really nice amp, lesterpaul! It looks a lot cleaner than the ebay photos made it out to be also

 

[metalmarlon]

Wait, is this the one on eBay that was supposed to be owned by Aerosmith or something?

Otherwise very nice.

Start with the sample settings in the manual. you can download it from Mesa's website here: http://www.mesaboogie.com/manuals/Mark II-C Manual - Maintenance & Repair.pdf

Yes this it the Aerosmith one. They included proof of that, cool, I guess.

Thanks for the manual link.

 

[JD]

HI BB i have a questian for you

I have a questian regarding the export tranny, will there be eny difference in sound when running the export on USA 110 volts compared to european 230 volts ?.


I have a DRG c+ with a 100 pt running 110 volts , shuld i expect a diffenrece in tone compared to the export running on 230 volts ?

regards

I am also curious about this

 

[Boogiebabies]

HI BB i have a questian for you

I have a questian regarding the export tranny, will there be eny difference in sound when running the export on USA 110 volts compared to european 230 volts ?.


I have a DRG c+ with a 100 pt running 110 volts , shuld i expect a diffenrece in tone compared to the export running on 230 volts ?

regards

I am also curious about this

There should be no difference. The plate voltage is about the same on the secondary. 460V or so.

 

[cremona]

HI BB i have a questian for you

I have a questian regarding the export tranny, will there be eny difference in sound when running the export on USA 110 volts compared to european 230 volts ?.


I have a DRG c+ with a 100 pt running 110 volts , shuld i expect a diffenrece in tone compared to the export running on 230 volts ?

regards

I am also curious about this

There should be no difference. The plate voltage is about the same on the secondary. 460V or so.

Thanks BB

But dossent the 100 pt tranny put around 448 volts on the plates, and there for would preform differently compared to the 460 on the export ?

Im a bit confused on the export tranny because in the Guide for dummies its stated 448/460 volts, where the other tranny´s have only one spec number

Thanks

 

[Boogiebabies]

But dossent the 100 pt tranny put around 448 volts on the plates, and there for would preform differently compared to the 460 on the export ?

Im a bit confused on the export tranny because in the Guide for dummies its stated 448/460 volts, where the other tranny´s have only one spec number

Thanks

With no load 460V, with a load on the ones I have tested 448V which almost identical to the 60W PT as well.
If you think about it logically and in numerical sequence, the X101 is the Export version of the 100.

 

[cremona]

But dossent the 100 pt tranny put around 448 volts on the plates, and there for would preform differently compared to the 460 on the export ?

Im a bit confused on the export tranny because in the Guide for dummies its stated 448/460 volts, where the other tranny´s have only one spec number

Thanks

With no load 460V, with a load on the ones I have tested 448V which almost identical to the 60W PT as well.
If you think about it logically and in numerical sequence, the X101 is the Export version of the 100.

Ok thanks

 

[metalmarlon]

Ok... so I got down with some sample settings to start off...

and holy crap this amp sounds good!!! When I first tried it out I was kind of "meh" about it and thought my MKIVa was sounding better. The mids seemed too "honky".

But I gave it a good playing and I now think it is just perfect to sit in the band. Too bad it is just too valuable to play shows with

And yes you can get great cleans by rolling off the volume. They are just not loud enough in relation to the lead channel.

I'm going to fiddle around some more with it though. Maybe I will make some clips too.

Thanks for the help.

 

[Facelift]

Ok... so I got down with some sample settings to start off...

and holy crap this amp sounds good!!! When I first tried it out I was kind of "meh" about it and thought my MKIVa was sounding better. The mids seemed too "honky".

But I gave it a good playing and I now think it is just perfect to sit in the band. Too bad it is just too valuable to play shows with

And yes you can get great cleans by rolling off the volume. They are just not loud enough in relation to the lead channel.

I'm going to fiddle around some more with it though. Maybe I will make some clips too.

Thanks for the help.

cant you jsut disquise the amp somehow to make people think its jsut some POS and still use it at shows. I see this same thing with people and thier USA guitars. Leaving them at home while they bring their imports to shows. I can understand the point of not wanting them to get ripped off, especially something that is so valuable in collectors terms, but whats the point of buying it if you arent going to put it to use. Please dont take this as a negative post toward your purchase, just trying to understand why people buy things and leave them at home when thier sole purpose of being made it to use them.

As for rolling off the volume knob on the guitar, I find it quite annoying having to do that on my III. I know theres a mod that fixes this, Im jsut skeptical about doing it as I dont want to change the amps overall tone.

 

[metalmarlon]

cant you jsut disquise the amp somehow to make people think its jsut some POS and still use it at shows. I see this same thing with people and thier USA guitars. Leaving them at home while they bring their imports to shows. I can understand the point of not wanting them to get ripped off, especially something that is so valuable in collectors terms, but whats the point of buying it if you arent going to put it to use. Please dont take this as a negative post toward your purchase, just trying to understand why people buy things and leave them at home when thier sole purpose of being made it to use them.

As for rolling off the volume knob on the guitar, I find it quite annoying having to do that on my III. I know theres a mod that fixes this, Im jsut skeptical about doing it as I dont want to change the amps overall tone.

Well the cool thing About the Mark IIC+ is that it looks like any other early Mark series amp so no one would know that it is worth money just by looking at it. But too much could happen (misplaced, left somewhere, ripped off during the stage scurry, trailer getting broken into, DROPPED!!!). I don't think it is the value of the amp that makes it more likely to be stolen, it is that 'if' it does get stolen or damaged it is going to be a huge loss and very hard to replace.

The head will still see use. I will use it for recording and I have been kicking around the idea of seeing if I can rent it out for studio work.

Just look at EVA. He has the modded Marshall that only get used for recording. There is just too much that can happen on the road (and his endorsements).

And for the rolling the volume, I use a Les Paul for that. I already have the neck rolled so I just switch channels and pickups. If the guitar has only one volume I would never do that.

 

[JOEY B.]

And for the rolling the volume, I use a Les Paul for that. I already have the neck rolled so I just switch channels and pickups. If the guitar has only one volume I would never do that.

If you switch channel and pickup selector at the same time on the LP with the neck volume rolled down, try this. To balance the channel volumes, increase the MASTER while you decrease the LEAD MASTER. This will effectively make the clean channel louder than the lead channel, but with the guitar volume rolloff, you can find the sweet spot where it all comes together. Splitting the coils on a humbucker also cleans up the sound for channel 1. This is my trick on the Anderson Cobra which has only one volume knob.

 

[metalmarlon]

So I had band practice today. I tried the "Metallica" GEQ thing (knob settings were close, but to personal taste).

Believe it or not it sounded really good!!!!

On its own it sound like you are playing through a tube, but in the band it really sounds big. The bass really has enough room to sit under the guitars giving the beef and yet really stand out. Cool stuff.

Didn't try to tackle the clean channel yet.