Express 5:50 or DC-5??? Going to have to A/B 'em!

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Ok, ok... I'm new to Mesa's but I'm kinda silly about these things... as I wait for the DC-5 to be delivered in the coming week or so, I'm going to pick-up an Express 5:50 1x12 from the local GC. Once I have both in my home setting, I'll compare the two and weigh in on the ups/downs that I find in each amp. I think now that I might like the Express more than the DC...

...anyone else?
 
Hey Mike, I am very interested in your comparison! I have a 5:50 1x12 which I love, but I have been thinking about getting a DC 5 head to have as another option. Let us know how it goes, and enjoy!

Cheers,

Richt
 
I would be interested in the results as the DC-5 was the first Boogie I ever owned (combo) and I would say the vote will go to the Express(next Boogie I will own) probably based on the clean channel being better, although the DC prob has a better dirty side,,,Heck maybe you will decide to keep both!!!
 
I've never heard a DC-5 but it does have a Parrallel Loop so that counts it out for me. Makes it pretty useless for time based effect pedals. Plus it'll be a lot heavier than the Express but also cheaper I'd expect :D
 
Ok everyone; I arrived home this evening with my new Express 5:50 in tote only to find the DC-5 at my doorstep!!! So, I was happy to plug the pair in and dial in some tones over a few hours and give them a good A/B'ing.

So, here's my review as promised... I'll post audio/video samples when possible.

DC-5 (1x12 combo)
Weighed in at approximately 59lbs.
My first impressions of the DC-5 were of simple amazement. I started the dials at 5 across the board (excluding volume) and started the graphic EQ at a gentle boost of the highs & upper mids and a slight boost in the bass to match. The clean channel on this amp left me with much to be desired. I just couldn't get the clean sound that I wanted (although I know I spent very little time with it in comparison to many of the veterans on this board). The EQ knobs were VERY sensitive to adjustments. It was nice to see an EQ that actually did some major tone shaping. But, this isn't quite my thing. I like the idea of a pre-gain EQ, and this amp was deviating too much from my normal approach to amps. The gain was incredible though. I was really taken aback by the fluid gain when I neared about 7 on the dial. It was really neat.

Express 5:50 (1x12 combo)
Weighed in at approximately 55lbs.
I have spent more time with this amp at GC over the past few days than the DC-5, so I'd have to admit that my notions of this amp may be a bit jaded due to the time put into tweaking in the store. But, I started it out the same way. Dials all set to five and I went for it. Although the DC-5 impressed me out of the box, the Express seemed to offer a more organic tone that I have become accustomed to. The clean channel on this amp is wonderful, and the blues setting offer just enough organic grit that wasn't as harsh as the DC-5's clean. The contour switches remained engaged an offered an extra amount of upper/lower "push" that I like in my final EQ'ing of my tone. I know that the knobs are all post-gain (at least I assume so) but they react more like they would if they were pre-gain. I like that a lot. This amp just seemed more comfortable to me & my playing style.

So the winner is: the Express 5:50

Don't get me wrong, the DC-5 is a great amp and if I could I would keep it in tow for recording or as a backup. But the Express has some qualities that I cannot pass on. The only thing it lacks is a master output control like the DC-5 has, but I can manage without one. That's what a sound-check is for, right?
 
mikevirok said:
Ok everyone; I arrived home this evening with my new Express 5:50 in tote only to find the DC-5 at my doorstep!!! So, I was happy to plug the pair in and dial in some tones over a few hours and give them a good A/B'ing.

So, here's my review as promised... I'll post audio/video samples when possible.

DC-5 (1x12 combo)
Weighed in at approximately 59lbs.
My first impressions of the DC-5 were of simple amazement. I started the dials at 5 across the board (excluding volume) and started the graphic EQ at a gentle boost of the highs & upper mids and a slight boost in the bass to match. The clean channel on this amp left me with much to be desired. I just couldn't get the clean sound that I wanted (although I know I spent very little time with it in comparison to many of the veterans on this board). The EQ knobs were VERY sensitive to adjustments. It was nice to see an EQ that actually did some major tone shaping. But, this isn't quite my thing. I like the idea of a pre-gain EQ, and this amp was deviating too much from my normal approach to amps. The gain was incredible though. I was really taken aback by the fluid gain when I neared about 7 on the dial. It was really neat.

Express 5:50 (1x12 combo)
Weighed in at approximately 55lbs.
I have spent more time with this amp at GC over the past few days than the DC-5, so I'd have to admit that my notions of this amp may be a bit jaded due to the time put into tweaking in the store. But, I started it out the same way. Dials all set to five and I went for it. Although the DC-5 impressed me out of the box, the Express seemed to offer a more organic tone that I have become accustomed to. The clean channel on this amp is wonderful, and the blues setting offer just enough organic grit that wasn't as harsh as the DC-5's clean. The contour switches remained engaged an offered an extra amount of upper/lower "push" that I like in my final EQ'ing of my tone. I know that the knobs are all post-gain (at least I assume so) but they react more like they would if they were pre-gain. I like that a lot. This amp just seemed more comfortable to me & my playing style.

So the winner is: the Express 5:50

Don't get me wrong, the DC-5 is a great amp and if I could I would keep it in tow for recording or as a backup. But the Express has some qualities that I cannot pass on. The only thing it lacks is a master output control like the DC-5 has, but I can manage without one. That's what a sound-check is for, right?

You're a fortunate guy to be able to have both to A/B!

FWIW, having never played an 5:50 but having owned a DC5 for nearly a decade, you have to approach its tonestack (and that of older boogs, for that matter) with a diff mindset from, say, a Fender or like amp.

Clean channel:
May I suggest taking the GEQ out (assign it to the Lead channel), and start with the gain at 7 if you like a bit of hair around the edges, or lower if you want more spanky clean; treb 5, mid 2, bass 6-7. As you found out, the knobs actually shape very well, so subtle turns one at a time pays dividends. The mid knob is also a quasi-gain stage, so beyond 4 or so you're not adding more mids as much as you're introducing more mids+gain to the preamp section.

Lead channel:
Depending on your pups, start with gain around 3-4 for a more "classic rock" flavor; up to 7 or so for tighter/more saturated modern OD. Try treb at 5-6. mid 4-5, bass <5. Watch the bass control on this channel! Lower is better since this introduces bass at the preamp stage and it can get flubby (ugly) fast. This is where the GEQ kicks serious butt all over many of the newer boogs, IMHO. The GEQ is post-preamp, so tight bottom in spades is at your disposal here. Go easy on the middle fader as small movements up from center can get you into ZZTop midrange bliss, and below center can drop you into tight metal mayhem ...and everything in between, of course. As is the general "rule" with their controls, little movements go a long way.

As I said, I haven't yet tried the express line so you have that advantage there. But suffice it to say, my DC5 has earned "keeper" status long ago (along with some key tube swaps) because of its incredible tonal versatility as seems to be able to cover sooo much tonal ground. As many other pieces of gear has made their way out of my door over the years, this one has earned its keep :) That said, I'd still be very interested in your impressions again if you're up to it :)

Edward
 
Newysurfer said:
I've never heard a DC-5 but it does have a Parrallel Loop so that counts it out for me. Makes it pretty useless for time based effect pedals.
Actually parallel loops are very useful especially for time-based effects - if you can set them to produce a 100% wet signal. Then you just mix the signal with the amp's tone (probably around 10-20%). So the tone stays intact, because it doesn't have to be squeezed through crappy A/D- D/A converters or analog stompboxes powered by 9V.
 
tetsubin said:
Newysurfer said:
I've never heard a DC-5 but it does have a Parrallel Loop so that counts it out for me. Makes it pretty useless for time based effect pedals.
Actually parallel loops are very useful especially for time-based effects - if you can set them to produce a 100% wet signal. Then you just mix the signal with the amp's tone (probably around 10-20%). So the tone stays intact, because it doesn't have to be squeezed through crappy A/D- D/A converters or analog stompboxes powered by 9V.

I've heard most parrallel loops still produce an out of phase sound even when set at 100% wet. THere's a few amps I've heard of that seem to work ok with a parrallel loop and hopefully yours is one of em. Bottom line is if you're buying a new amp and will use effects make sure you get one with a Series loop. Saves a lot of potential hassles :D
 
I am torn up with GAS for the same two amps as you. I can't cash out either right now due to home repair bill, but will make a deal one way or the other in the next month or so. I am just getting back into electric guitar after about 18 years. (****, that makes me feel "older 'dan dirt") I like to play mostly 80's hair band stuff with the heaviest being Metalica/black sabath sounds, Hard rock Van halen, hagar, Ted Nugent(btw: has anyone "boogied" uncle Ted's "Girl Scout Cookies" off his new album Love Grenade? That song is beggin' for some boogie chug.) and some rockabilly old school Chuck Berry, Big Bopper, ect. I'd like to study some blues too, but I've been finger picking acustic so long that it'll be whole new "ear" for me.
Here are my feelings:

DC-5 Love the geq, familliar from My old mk 2, Master volume, voiced out, Head phone jack all familar and very cool features. I love the sound on these studio/dc amps. both channels. familiar and very cool voice. they always sound the way I expect them too when I plug in and play. I can play right in front of the amp and still feel comfortable. I don't know how to explain it but I just don't usually feel comfortable and relaxed in front of most amps. I get all clumsy and intimidated, have to get over to one side or better yet, behind it. The drawbacks: I can't find one for sale locally. Buing on ebay scares me. they're old (not as old as me) I don't have alot of time to spare on repairs, mods, ect. shipping an amp that heavy for repair given it's age and current resale doesn't make any sence for repairs. There are few here on this forum I would feel better about than ebay, but I can't play it before I buy it so it's a crap shoot. Probably a good shot though since it'll be half the price of the express.

express 5-50 1x12 very nice amp. I can buy it brand new. If anything goes wrong, I'm covered. most versital amp (other than RK, way out of my price range, and only played it for about 10 min.) in my experiance. Love all the foot switching, modes, ect. Beutiful sound/voice. I didn't like the 5 25 1x10 or 5 50 2X12 as much, but the 1X12 5 50 came in yesterday and I had to run out of the store to keep from laying down a piece of plastic on the counter and pissing my wife off with a GAS fueled impulse purchase. I actually went in to buy some pots for my guitar, then saw it on the rack and just had to play it. seems my ears just fit into the 1X12 feel the best. any way, the only draw back is the cash outlay. It's twice the price of a used DC 5, doesn't have the voiced out, headphone jack too. I don't really see taking a chance on a used express off of ebay when I won't have the local support/ warranty and only save say 20%.

Since you have both amps in your hands, What say you?
 
Here comes the wishy-washy answer:
The one that sounds better AND fills your needs more to a T is the right amp for you.

DC Plus Side: Cost! While ebay can certainly be ugly (witness last thread on this), you can reduce your risk considerably with lots of communication, pics, and common-sense buying. Anyone who sends up a red flag, call it a day and keep looking. This may take you a bit of time, but I do see DC5 heads and combos with fair regularity, so I don't think it should take you too long. Another plus is you know/like its tone, and already enjoy its "familiarity." And even in the unlikely specter that you have to have it repaired, if you had done your hw that cost will pale in comparison to the cost of a new express (which can be more like 2.5x the cost out the door of a DC5 in good shape).

Express Plus side: New; no "history"; warranty. You liked it so much you had to run out the store ...that says a lot. Well, if it fits you this well, there's nothing like taking home today what you love. The price for this, however, is, well, the price ...which is IMHO still cheap if you amortize this over the lifetime you enjoy it!!

Honestly, get the one you "really" want, irrespective of cost (within your means of course). Most of us have spent twice and more because we "settled" ...only to find that you were lacking, had to sell that for a loss, then get what you really wanted. BTDT. Life is too short to not love your music! :)

Edward
 
Thanx Edward

You really put words to that "you should know better" feeling I'm having with the whole paying twice 'cause I skrimped in the first place. Truth is If I could buy a DC 5 locally I would do it today. I can't so that really doesn't mean anything. I'll just keep my eyes open wile rounding up the scratch for the 5-50 and if nothing shows, well I'll take the plunge when the total is reached. Looks like $1300 plus tax. close to 7 % here. so 1400 is my number. My whole goal is to get some tone I'm happy with to play and enjoy more music with my kids and the kids from church.
 
macdaddyof9 said:
Thanx Edward

You really put words to that "you should know better" feeling I'm having with the whole paying twice 'cause I skrimped in the first place. Truth is If I could buy a DC 5 locally I would do it today. I can't so that really doesn't mean anything. I'll just keep my eyes open wile rounding up the scratch for the 5-50 and if nothing shows, well I'll take the plunge when the total is reached. Looks like $1300 plus tax. close to 7 % here. so 1400 is my number. My whole goal is to get some tone I'm happy with to play and enjoy more music with my kids and the kids from church.

You're welcome. BTW, do you really have 9 kids?? (sorry, but gotta ask given your handle) :)

At least you're here in the states ...those outside of the 48 have a serious prob getting their hands on any boog; new is hard enough, used fugghetaboutit. You're in good shape in NM. And compare the 1400 to the mid 5s to low 6s I've seen DC5s go for on the bay ...and yes, in good to killer shape. Still, it boils down to tone and what you really want, but man I don't think you'll be one bit disappointed with it. FWIW, I use mine (and MKIII head at times) for worship service: main service and youth (where we can crank up a bit :) ). You'll have tone to the bone, brother. And top it with a thiele cab and you are in a WHOLE 'nother zone!! ...but I digress. BTW, I did find the "volume pot mod" very helpful ...unless you're playing a 600 seat sanctuary :)

Edward
 
You got the kid count right on the money! lol. I do plan on trying out a thiele cab too. all new stuff to me. Got my axe back togeather and I'll road test that express wed. night. tx again.
 
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