Endorsement whores!!

[thinskin57]

so i just got the new GC flyer that has joe walsh on the cover with a les paul. inside you can read his statements about how great the les paul is, and how it's THE guitar. yet, if you watch the carvin dvd, you'll see/hear him bashing gibson a bit, and talking about how carvin is an improvement over these guitars. don't get me wrong, i've been guilty of gear flip-flops more than most, but if i were a "star" guitarist i'd have a bit more integrity and not have my name associated w/a new brand every other year. anyway, this got me thinking of how many other "stars" have been guilty of this over the years, flip-flopping onto the next big endorsement deal. i'm not trying to bash these whores, but it IS funny to watch. you'd think with all their money they'd just BUY an instrument and save face, rather than change endorsement deals like they were shoes, all for the sake of free gear that they can easily afford! so...... who's your favorite gear *****? who's the all time king? fire away- i know there's some serial offenders out there!!

 

[Rocky]

George Lynch and Zakk Wylde have got to be near the top of the endorsement ***** list.

 

[thinskin57]

George Lynch and Zakk Wylde have got to be near the top of the endorsement ***** list.

I hear you, but who are the guys that have gone from brand to brand to brand?

 

[RJ2213]

dave mustaine. ESP, Jackson, Line 6, Marshall, and a few others i cant remember. he just couldnt be more of a gear ***** if he tried.


also Firewind's Gus G, he's now using Randall, was using Krank, and was using Marshall before that.

 

[thinskin57]

dave mustaine. ESP, Jackson, Line 6, Marshall, and a few others i cant remember. he just couldnt be more of a gear ***** if he tried.

how could i have overlooked him?! plus, he'd have those stupid lines like, "these strings are the best because i say so" ...or, "they'd better bury me with my marshalls or there'll be hell to pay"

poetic! LOL

 

[jdurso]

mustaine is the biggest endorement ***** out there because he always trashes the company before. changing endoresements is fine but why trash someone who through you all that free gear and money for all those years? i understand his gripe with jackson but its becoming more and more apparent to me its mustaine who is the cancer in all his relationships. i remember when he went over to line 6 how he was trashing rocktron and marshall.... and now he wants to be buried the JVM??? like i said its fine with me to switch endoresements but dont go trashing companies... plus his tone sucks almost as much as kirk hammett.

 

[Rocky]

I havent heard Dave trash Jackson as far as the guitars go. He hated the way Fender/Jackson treated him after the merger. Jackson's guys told him hat they werent for sale when Dave tried to buy the company and then they announced that they were joining with FMIC...I'd have been pissed if I were Dave also. ESP...he didnt like the deal so when the contract was up he was out. He says good things about all of the guitars just not the suits in control. He didnt like having to wait on things arriving from Japan either...that was part of the ESP deal that he wasnt keen on. As I said earlier, he has said that it is business and not related to the insruments themselves. It always seemed odd to me that he would work with a company that lists the Metallica guys as its top 2 endorsers. Dave with ESP was a flat out bad idea.

His Line6 deal never really went anywhere...I actually dont think he was in any sort of deal. Just working with Line6 on a product that didnt pan out. Remember that Yngwie once signed a deal with Rhino amps that went nowhere.

Dave was back with Marshall within 8 or 9 months. I think it is safe to say that he was experimenting. He has been a Marshall guy since the 80's except for a 6 or 7 month flirt with another maker.

He has always endorsed GHS, Monster and Shure.

Dime was quite the ***** for endorsements too.

 

[boswell]

Worse than Endorsement Whores are all the suckers who buy signature products!

 

[carlsoti]

Worse than Endorsement Whores are all the suckers who buy signature products!

Not all signature gear is just relabled stock stuff with a higher pricetag. I've played the Eric Johnson strat, and it's fabulous. WAY better than a BUNCH of the "custom shop" strats. Other than that, I'm not really keen on "signature" gear. I want MY sound, you know?

 

[thinskin57]

Worse than Endorsement Whores are all the suckers who buy signature products!

i'm no fan of eric clapton, but i play a clapton strat. simply because (back in 2003) after trying out close to 15 strats, the clapton signature model stood head and shoulders above all the others. evan an eric johnson strat which was nice, but had too flat a fingerboard for my liking... at least on a strat.

so i guess what matters is WHY you bought a signature product.

 

[boswell]

There's no getting away from the fact that the majority of signature gear is gonna cost more for no gain as there is a hungry artist to feed!

 

[eldi]

There's no getting away from the fact that the majority of signature gear is gonna cost more for no gain as there is a hungry artist to feed!

A Fender Clapton, SRV or Yngwie Artist Series strat goes for almost the same price as a US 57/62 reissue strat. And yes, the Eric Johnson strat goes for a little more. There are features in some of those Artist Series guitars that are unique to them, that are not featured in any of the standard models that many players find desireable. I don't have any issues with anybody buying these guitars if they like how they play & sound. I've read somewhere that alot of these signature guitars are being bought by non-playing, but dedicated fans of these artists. And I have no issue with that either. In this day & age, with people buying less CD's & dloading, an artist has to find new ways of making $ to be able to keep on making music for a living. There is obviously a strong market for this signature gear, otherwise they wouldn't be making it.

One guitar model in particular, which started out as a signature model but throughout time became revered & is considered a classic design: the Les Paul!

What I do have an issue with is those Dean "Dimebag" signature ML's selling new for about $1,000....thats way too much for a guitar that is made in China, regardless of who's name is on it...

EDIT: Oh yeah, although I have alot of admiration & respect for Brian May, I think that his Vox AC-30 signature amp is a really lame idea, & I think it's made in China too!

 

[Rocky]

THat is what I thought about the Brian May AC30....then I tried one and was amazed at how good it sounds.

As for the hand wiring in China....chinese hands can solder wires and components together as well as people from any other country.

 

[Herbie the Rad Dorklift]

THat is what I thought about the Brian May AC30....then I tried one and was amazed at how good it sounds.

As for the hand wiring in China....chinese hands can solder wires and components together as well as people from any other country.

I hardly think the Chinese factories are as finicky as US, UK or any other Western hands.

I still think it's a rush job whether it's hand made or not.

 

[boswell]

What I do have an issue with is those Dean "Dimebag" signature ML's selling new for about $1,000....thats way too much for a guitar that is made in China, regardless of who's name is on it...

EDIT: Oh yeah, although I have alot of admiration & respect for Brian May, I think that his Vox AC-30 signature amp is a really lame idea, & I think it's made in China too!

ere we go the old if it's not made in the USA it shouldn't cost more than $100 horseshit!

I've played played £199 made in China Squier Strats that put many a made in USA Strats to shame on playability build quality etc.

 

[thinskin57]

As for the hand wiring in China

i've seen the inside of a brian may vox. not a whole lot of "hand" wiring to begin with. there's pcb in there too. not saying there's anything wrong with pcb. but that amp is NOT worth the asking price, i'm sorry. i hate when big companies go over seas to cut costs, and don't share a dime of their savings with their customers. if anything, they RAISE the price. buy used folks!

 

[jdurso]

As for the hand wiring in China

i've seen the inside of a brian may vox. not a whole lot of "hand" wiring to begin with. there's pcb in there too. not saying there's anything wrong with pcb. but that amp is NOT worth the asking price, i'm sorry. i hate when big companies go over seas to cut costs, and don't share a dime of their savings with their customers. if anything, they RAISE the price. buy used folks!

sure production costs go down but a nice chunk of their savings goes into shipping the products back. and the only reason quality suffers is because the numbers are larger and you have workers getting paid close to nothing to work like slaves. and of what they get paid is taken out for company housing and meals (not all factories but a lot, especially for walmart). then factor in no production managers with the skills of a luthier or amp maker and they have no way to gauge if what their making fits a certain quality standard.

 

[jdurso]

I havent heard Dave trash Jackson as far as the guitars go. He hated the way Fender/Jackson treated him after the merger. Jackson's guys told him hat they werent for sale when Dave tried to buy the company and then they announced that they were joining with FMIC...I'd have been pissed if I were Dave also. ESP...he didnt like the deal so when the contract was up he was out. He says good things about all of the guitars just not the suits in control. He didnt like having to wait on things arriving from Japan either...that was part of the ESP deal that he wasnt keen on. As I said earlier, he has said that it is business and not related to the insruments themselves. It always seemed odd to me that he would work with a company that lists the Metallica guys as its top 2 endorsers. Dave with ESP was a flat out bad idea.

His Line6 deal never really went anywhere...I actually dont think he was in any sort of deal. Just working with Line6 on a product that didnt pan out. Remember that Yngwie once signed a deal with Rhino amps that went nowhere.

Dave was back with Marshall within 8 or 9 months. I think it is safe to say that he was experimenting. He has been a Marshall guy since the 80's except for a 6 or 7 month flirt with another maker.

He has always endorsed GHS, Monster and Shure.

Dime was quite the ***** for endorsements too.

come on he threw jackson and rocktron under the bus. all because they wouldnt sell him the company. as for the line 6 thing, no it didnt turn into a signature model but what he had was the prototype for the spider valve. and at the time he was saying how stoked he was about it and how it was heads above his old rig. now claiming wanting to be burried with a jvm?? the guy has lost it (not quite sure he ever had it).

plenty of endorsed guys experiment and use other gear but not many like mustaine will go out and be so vocal about things. he maybe a great guitar player but he's still a pompeous *** whether its an act for the public or thats his real personality. Him and Kerry King should start a band called "we're skilled guitarists that cant write a coherent song to save our lives"

 

[Rocky]

He still uses Rocktron products....when he was doing the line 6 thing he was still using the Rocktron as his preamp. The line 6 was used as a poweramp.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1U-Go1cPxA

 

[Rocky]

I havent heard Dave trash Jackson as far as the guitars go. He hated the way Fender/Jackson treated him after the merger. Jackson's guys told him hat they werent for sale when Dave tried to buy the company and then they announced that they were joining with FMIC...I'd have been pissed if I were Dave also. ESP...he didnt like the deal so when the contract was up he was out. He says good things about all of the guitars just not the suits in control. He didnt like having to wait on things arriving from Japan either...that was part of the ESP deal that he wasnt keen on. As I said earlier, he has said that it is business and not related to the insruments themselves. It always seemed odd to me that he would work with a company that lists the Metallica guys as its top 2 endorsers. Dave with ESP was a flat out bad idea.

His Line6 deal never really went anywhere...I actually dont think he was in any sort of deal. Just working with Line6 on a product that didnt pan out. Remember that Yngwie once signed a deal with Rhino amps that went nowhere.

Dave was back with Marshall within 8 or 9 months. I think it is safe to say that he was experimenting. He has been a Marshall guy since the 80's except for a 6 or 7 month flirt with another maker.

He has always endorsed GHS, Monster and Shure.

Dime was quite the ***** for endorsements too.

come on he threw jackson and rocktron under the bus. all because they wouldnt sell him the company. as for the line 6 thing, no it didnt turn into a signature model but what he had was the prototype for the spider valve. and at the time he was saying how stoked he was about it and how it was heads above his old rig. now claiming wanting to be burried with a jvm?? the guy has lost it (not quite sure he ever had it).

plenty of endorsed guys experiment and use other gear but not many like mustaine will go out and be so vocal about things. he maybe a great guitar player but he's still a pompeous *** whether its an act for the public or thats his real personality. Him and Kerry King should start a band called "we're skilled guitarists that cant write a coherent song to save our lives"

Megadeth has written many coherent songs, the whole album Dan Huff produced for them is easily accessible and is borderline pop. Way smoother than Metallicas most commercial music.