Adam Jones

[stephen sawall]

The attack envolope, the amount and shape of the bass. The 6l6 family includes 6l6, 5881, KT66, etc .... the EL34 family includes KT77,6CA7, etc to name a few. Every one of these tubes has it's own characteristic and sounds as well as different makes by different company's. You can find all kind of info on the web ..... it would fill many, many pages.

It would be my guess he was using what is now sold as the JJ EL34L.

http://thetubestore.com/teslael34l.html

There is a lot of good info on that web site about tube types.

 

[gambit]

wow dude its really interesting you said that, I just tried the EL4's on vintage high gain and it sounds incredible... you're thinking hes using the 6L6's?

 

[b0nkersx]

wow dude its really interesting you said that, I just tried the EL4's on vintage high gain and it sounds incredible... you're thinking hes using the 6L6's?

He probably has EL34s in his Marshall. His Diezels could have anything.

 

[gambit]

I've been trying a combination of the two amps as of late to get my sound. I'm using the Mesa TOV, with the EL4's on vintage high gain to get most of the lows and the mids. I'm using my marshall jcm 2000 mostly for highs as im cutting mids to about 6 and bass to about 4... trebles cranked.

The marshall doesnt have the option of using different tubes at the same time so if I was going to change them I'd need to know first what would be best, you guys think EL4's would be good? I also need to see what I have in there now!!! haha

 

[b0nkersx]

Just use your ears, dude. Stop looking for other people to tell you what to use. If it sounds good, it really doesn't matter what kind of tube you're using.

 

[gambit]

When you are new to something, the idea is to get as many opinions from a respected community as possible, thats what message boards like this are for. Of course im doing whatever I want, the idea is that people here have more experience than me when it comes to **** like this and I'm taking advantage of that knowledge the same way I would give knowledge to someone else about what my expertises are.

Asking people for suggestions is what im doing, no one here is writing anything in stone for me... if you have a problem with that the internet is probably not for you.

 

[b0nkersx]

Whoa, somebody got their feelings hurt.

You completely missed the point of what I said. The point is that somebody like me could tell you to use 6L6s when EL34s are a better choice. The point is that you need to try both and let your ears decide, because you're the only one who has any say over your tone. What I think sounds like AJ, you might think sounds like trash.

Don't get caught up in power tubes either. They matter less than most people think. Lighten up, too. I meant no malice.

 

[stephen sawall]

wow dude its really interesting you said that, I just tried the EL4's on vintage high gain and it sounds incredible... you're thinking hes using the 6L6's?

I do not think he ever used anything but EL34's in any of his amps ever.

The DR is not designed to combine tube types.

 

[gambit]

Whoa, somebody got their feelings hurt.

You completely missed the point of what I said. The point is that somebody like me could tell you to use 6L6s when EL34s are a better choice. The point is that you need to try both and let your ears decide, because you're the only one who has any say over your tone. What I think sounds like AJ, you might think sounds like trash.

Don't get caught up in power tubes either. They matter less than most people think. Lighten up, too. I meant no malice.

I didnt think you meant that dude, I'm just saying there's a lot I dont know about this stuff and I'm not afraid to ask. Don't worry my studio is my lab and im trying out everything lol. no worries.

 

[b0nkersx]

lol, good.

For what its worth, I'd be willing to bet AJ uses 6L6s in his Diezel. I think you'll be best off with EL34s in both, though.

 

[gambit]

the EL34's combined with vintage high gain// bold power and tube rectifier (I think thats the setting) is my core sound... I'm absolutely loving it. At the same time I use the marshall jcm 2000 a little bit lower on channel 2 heavy, a lot of treble and presence to add a bit more top end to the sound// I cut the mids to about 6 and bass to about 4 on the marshall.

The reason I'm doing this combining is not only to get a unique sound but I'm in a bit of a pickle in my band as we're a five piece and though I play lead guitar, the other guitarist uses a clean setting and cuts through much better than me.

I have to check what tubes I have in my marshall, I dont even know!

 

[stephen sawall]

the EL34's combined with vintage high gain// bold power and tube rectifier (I think thats the setting) is my core sound... I'm absolutely loving it. At the same time I use the marshall jcm 2000 a little bit lower on channel 2 heavy, a lot of treble and presence to add a bit more top end to the sound// I cut the mids to about 6 and bass to about 4 on the marshall.

The reason I'm doing this combining is not only to get a unique sound but I'm in a bit of a pickle in my band as we're a five piece and though I play lead guitar, the other guitarist uses a clean setting and cuts through much better than me.

I have to check what tubes I have in my marshall, I dont even know!

With your band you may try backing off on the gain on one or both of your amps .... When running two amps you well get a lot more harmonic complexity than a single amp. Backing off the gain should give better definition and it should give you more dynamic range. This may give you better definition, control and cut in the mix.

I also very much recommend turning up the midrange as much as you can on the Marshall and still like it ...... this should help with cutting in the mix. Maybe both amps. I use a lot more midrange when playing with the band live than I do well playing by myself or recording.

As a starting place I recommend with the band turning the mid on the DR to about 2/3 o'clock and all the way up with the Marshall. Play with the band a few songs so your ears get accustom to it (the ear and mind take some time to get accustom to sounds). Then just back off on the Marshall first.

One more thing .... I almost always use two amps live and have been doing this more than 20 years. I recommend setting up both amps by themselves for the biggest most dynamic sound you can get. This does not mean having the gain up high .... in fact the opposite. Then mix them and fine tune both amps to get the sound you want.

Two amps with a band is more complex and takes some time to fine tune what works best. The biggest mistake a lot of people make with amps setting them up is they use there eyes instead of there ears. I do not look at the amp when turning knobs myself.

.... It is not a bad idea to write down setting if you find something you like ..... Before you change things ..... and cannot find that sound again.

 

[Silverwulf]

For those that give a crap...

Adam's old Marshall is a late 70's Marshall Super Bass that's been converted over to Super Lead specs. He uses JJ EL34's and some sort of Chinese 12AX7's in the preamp. It's slightly modded, but it's really only a few part changes, nothing extensive as when people think of "mods." There's a 100k feedback on the 4 ohm tap, a .68 cap for the Presence, a .68 for the V2, and the caps out of V1 are .022. The JJ's are biased up to 25ma and of course, the channels are jumped together.

That's pretty much the Opiate and Undertow tone, and it's a "part" of the later tones as well.

 

[gambit]

For those that give a crap...

Adam's old Marshall is a late 70's Marshall Super Bass that's been converted over to Super Lead specs. He uses JJ EL34's and some sort of Chinese 12AX7's in the preamp. It's slightly modded, but it's really only a few part changes, nothing extensive as when people think of "mods." There's a 100k feedback on the 4 ohm tap, a .68 cap for the Presence, a .68 for the V2, and the caps out of V1 are .022. The JJ's are biased up to 25ma and of course, the channels are jumped together.

That's pretty much the Opiate and Undertow tone, and it's a "part" of the later tones as well.

wow man you seem to know a lot about his amps, any other tips you can give me to try and touch on his tone? Specifically lateralus... thanks man!

 

[gambit]

the EL34's combined with vintage high gain// bold power and tube rectifier (I think thats the setting) is my core sound... I'm absolutely loving it. At the same time I use the marshall jcm 2000 a little bit lower on channel 2 heavy, a lot of treble and presence to add a bit more top end to the sound// I cut the mids to about 6 and bass to about 4 on the marshall.

The reason I'm doing this combining is not only to get a unique sound but I'm in a bit of a pickle in my band as we're a five piece and though I play lead guitar, the other guitarist uses a clean setting and cuts through much better than me.

I have to check what tubes I have in my marshall, I dont even know!

With your band you may try backing off on the gain on one or both of your amps .... When running two amps you well get a lot more harmonic complexity than a single amp. Backing off the gain should give better definition and it should give you more dynamic range. This may give you better definition, control and cut in the mix.

I also very much recommend turning up the midrange as much as you can on the Marshall and still like it ...... this should help with cutting in the mix. Maybe both amps. I use a lot more midrange when playing with the band live than I do well playing by myself or recording.

As a starting place I recommend with the band turning the mid on the DR to about 2/3 o'clock and all the way up with the Marshall. Play with the band a few songs so your ears get accustom to it (the ear and mind take some time to get accustom to sounds). Then just back off on the Marshall first.

One more thing .... I almost always use two amps live and have been doing this more than 20 years. I recommend setting up both amps by themselves for the biggest most dynamic sound you can get. This does not mean having the gain up high .... in fact the opposite. Then mix them and fine tune both amps to get the sound you want.

Two amps with a band is more complex and takes some time to fine tune what works best. The biggest mistake a lot of people make with amps setting them up is they use there eyes instead of there ears. I do not look at the amp when turning knobs myself.

.... It is not a bad idea to write down setting if you find something you like ..... Before you change things ..... and cannot find that sound again.

wow this is really helpful. my mids are cranked on the TOV and pulled to 1 oclock on the marshall... you're suggesting perhaps cutting the gain a bit on the marshall and boosting the mids to cut through better?

 

[stephen sawall]

the EL34's combined with vintage high gain// bold power and tube rectifier (I think thats the setting) is my core sound... I'm absolutely loving it. At the same time I use the marshall jcm 2000 a little bit lower on channel 2 heavy, a lot of treble and presence to add a bit more top end to the sound// I cut the mids to about 6 and bass to about 4 on the marshall.

The reason I'm doing this combining is not only to get a unique sound but I'm in a bit of a pickle in my band as we're a five piece and though I play lead guitar, the other guitarist uses a clean setting and cuts through much better than me.

I have to check what tubes I have in my marshall, I dont even know!

With your band you may try backing off on the gain on one or both of your amps .... When running two amps you well get a lot more harmonic complexity than a single amp. Backing off the gain should give better definition and it should give you more dynamic range. This may give you better definition, control and cut in the mix.

I also very much recommend turning up the midrange as much as you can on the Marshall and still like it ...... this should help with cutting in the mix. Maybe both amps. I use a lot more midrange when playing with the band live than I do well playing by myself or recording.

As a starting place I recommend with the band turning the mid on the DR to about 2/3 o'clock and all the way up with the Marshall. Play with the band a few songs so your ears get accustom to it (the ear and mind take some time to get accustom to sounds). Then just back off on the Marshall first.

One more thing .... I almost always use two amps live and have been doing this more than 20 years. I recommend setting up both amps by themselves for the biggest most dynamic sound you can get. This does not mean having the gain up high .... in fact the opposite. Then mix them and fine tune both amps to get the sound you want.

Two amps with a band is more complex and takes some time to fine tune what works best. The biggest mistake a lot of people make with amps setting them up is they use there eyes instead of there ears. I do not look at the amp when turning knobs myself.

.... It is not a bad idea to write down setting if you find something you like ..... Before you change things ..... and cannot find that sound again.

wow this is really helpful. my mids are cranked on the TOV and pulled to 1 oclock on the marshall... you're suggesting perhaps cutting the gain a bit on the marshall and boosting the mids to cut through better?

Well I am not in the room with you and your rig. So I am only guessing what is going on. Your ears well know. The Marshall midrange should help a lot with the cut / mix with the band.

 

[stephen sawall]

For those that give a crap...

Adam's old Marshall is a late 70's Marshall Super Bass that's been converted over to Super Lead specs. He uses JJ EL34's and some sort of Chinese 12AX7's in the preamp. It's slightly modded, but it's really only a few part changes, nothing extensive as when people think of "mods." There's a 100k feedback on the 4 ohm tap, a .68 cap for the Presence, a .68 for the V2, and the caps out of V1 are .022. The JJ's are biased up to 25ma and of course, the channels are jumped together.

That's pretty much the Opiate and Undertow tone, and it's a "part" of the later tones as well.

wow man you seem to know a lot about his amps, any other tips you can give me to try and touch on his tone? Specifically lateralus... thanks man!

The information posted above was originally posted by Dave Friedman of Rack Systems Ltd on HRI years ago. Dave knows amps and has done work on Adams rig. I believe it is very accurate.

 

[Silverwulf]

The information posted above was originally posted by Dave Friedman of Rack Systems Ltd on HRI years ago. Dave knows amps and has done work on Adams rig. I believe it is very accurate.

Yeah, that's info straight from Dave (Friedman) when he cracked open Adam's amp. Don't know where he may posted info, but that's what he told me. Dave modded one of my Super Leads (check the sig).

 

[stephen sawall]

The information posted above was originally posted by Dave Friedman of Rack Systems Ltd on HRI years ago. Dave knows amps and has done work on Adams rig. I believe it is very accurate.

Yeah, that's info straight from Dave (Friedman) when he cracked open Adam's amp. Don't know where he may posted info, but that's what he told me. Dave modded one of my Super Leads (check the sig).

I see you have a Fortin and a Friedman ..... easy some of the best. Kick A$$.