Time for me to buy a IIC+

[Pearce117]

Ok so I have a TriAxis & Simul 2:90 and it's amazing. But it's a bear to move and it gets me about 95% close to the IIC+ but that last 5% is making me firkin crazy so I'm selling it to buy a real IIC+ :| So I wanna ask you guys that have them for some help in finding the right one for me. I LOVE that old metallica tone. Yes I'm a tone fan boy pleas don't kill me for it. I love to play loud and thrash my socks off. I like fat heavy stuff to :twisted: .

I never use re-verb so I really don't need that.

Do I need the G-EQ or not? I hear the non G-EQ has more attack. I don't really understand why that would be, but that's what I read, and I love fast attack! On the other hand I hear the G-EQ plus a parametric EQ is essential in getting some of them grinding thrash tones I want so bad. I do see a lot of guys on Youtube getting AMAZING tone with just the 5 band EQ in the amp without running a parametric EQ.

Is having Simul class even necessary for the tones I'm looking for?

Can a non Simul class be made into a Simul class? If not I can always slave a Bugera 1980 :lol:

 

[mreeve25]

60/100 HRG w/ 105pt all the way!!!

 

[Pearce117]

I get the 60/100 But I don't get the HRG part. Whats that? And what is the deal with the 105?

 

[mreeve25]

Sorry, the HRG stands for 100 watt/Reverb/Graphic.

The 105 power transformer is the main power transformer that was used in the original C+'s. It was the one in Hetfield's simulclass C+. The 60/100 in my experience and opinion will actually give you closer to that actual tone.

The simulclass almost needs additional EQ and mid scoop to attain that crunch tone. Again...in my opinion.

I have also had a few 60 watters w/o EQ. Those sound AMAZING!!!

Any C+ that is in good condition, you can get your hands on, go for it!!!!

 

[zodiac272]

Hey,
Well Fanboy, the first step is admitting you have a problem... lol j/k

I think you will be happy with almost any C+ you get that's in great condition. The best sounding C+ you will want is a Coliseum. I have seen the light, and the Coliseum slays both my HRG and SG IIC+'s, and those two both are perfect, and sound amazing. But that's my opinion...

I would suggest like mreeve25 suggested, a 100/60 watt with EQ or a 60 watt with EQ. From what i have heard and read. the non-simuls are a little more aggressive with a bit more in your face attack. I'm sure you would be equally happy with the 100, X101 or the 105 PT. But you definitely want GEQ. But if you find a simul with GEQ for a good price jump on it.

it's possible to upgrade a non simul to a simul, but it won't have the right transformer, and it's not worth hacking up a perfectly good power section.


and don't worry, if you aren't happy you can flip it.


scott

 

[JOEY B.]

I feel like I should start a 12-step (good C+ tone) workshop for the fanboys, and I'm NOT kidding. :roll: I've never cared for the Metallica tone, and likely never will.

But, if you want the closest to the Metallica tone without outboard gear like a parametric EQ, the 60/100 GEQ model with the 105 PT is the ticket. The 105 PT will carry the headroom needed for this style of music better than the 100 or X101. The Coliseum is the next step up in headroom, but not really that far from the "105 PT" 60/100. Fast attack will be NO problem with these amps, believe me.

FWIW, I'm as guilty of being a fanboy as anyone. Mine are EVH and Billy Gibbons, and I do not see me taking out a loan to buy a '59 burst, Frankenstein Strat, or late 1960's Marshall Super Lead amps. I get by just fine with my Gibson, Andersons, Jackson, and Boogies.

 

[mreeve25]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-RUrSl4Y7w

Fast forward to the 1:00 mark. That is pure Metallica C+ tone. 60/100 HRG w/ GEQ & 105pt, nails it all day long!!!

 

[JOEY B.]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-RUrSl4Y7w

Fast forward to the 1:00 mark. That is pure Metallica C+ tone. 60/100 HRG w/ GEQ & 105pt, nails it all day long!!!

Once upon a time they had a BASS PLAYER, his name was Cliff.

 

[Pearce117]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-RUrSl4Y7w

Fast forward to the 1:00 mark. That is pure Metallica C+ tone. 60/100 HRG w/ GEQ & 105pt, nails it all day long!!!

OMFG!!!! I want one so bad I can taste it! I cant sell my rig to save my life tho..

 

[Pearce117]

This is what made me wanna play. I was 16 and waking up at some girls house after a hard as party the night before. I was a zombie and she turned on VH1 and hay look its Metallica behind the music this video at 4:50 to 5:45 woke me up and changed my life! I went out and did what It took to get my first guitar. A ratty *** White Effector Explorer and a crappy Fender head. I was a fan boy before that day but this tone and the moment that morning have been in my head for the past 12 years. I need this amp!

http://youtu.be/gzP3tCj4qLM

 

[cremona]

Well james hetfield used the simul class c+ with the 105 PT ,a stock one and one with the gain boost mod,the one with gain boost he slaved into a stragtegy 400 simul, so i dont see have a 100/60 HRG could sound even more like him, thats just nonsence.

I had a 83 simul class c+ with the 100 PT that was a bit to soft sounding if you really picky and want the exact james hetfield justice for all crunch, but the one i have now wich is 1985 factory stock simul c+ with eq and the 105 PT ,(Can if you want it too ) sound exactly like james hetfield sound from those days.

The EMG 81`s are also important as is vintage 30`s.

The simul class verson as a surthen complexty in the midrange wich is what made magic on And justice for all , the simul class version is the perfect line between sweetness and brutality.

IMO the c+ can give you so many amazing sounds other then the metallica sound,wich is a pity really.
But there is no getting past the fact that james rytmen crunch sound from those days is generally speaking the most covered and admired heavy metal guitar sound .
When Metallica was on top of the metal world every kid playing metal tryed tweaking there gear to make it sound like them.

BTW i saw metallica live in 1993 with the same outdoor stage , the sound was Godly.

 

[MrPolatis3]

Hi Pearce117 , hi all

if I may say something, the truth is if you like the mesa tone, the second you will play a C+, you will fall from your chair.
I bought one in january last year and since then i purchased 3 others from the same guy (a very nice guy ).
I both own S and H , 2 with EQ and 2 without. As stated, the 60/100 version is a kind of brutal , that being said the C+ thrill is there,
non duplicable, as described once by RBrymer in one word "vicious".

So bottom line, beware when getting a C+, you may be caught by true addiction !! :lol:

 

[zodiac272]

Hi Pearce117 , hi all

if I may say something, the truth is if you like the mesa tone, the second you will play a C+, you will fall from your chair.
I bought one in january last year and since then i purchased 3 others from the same guy (a very nice guy ).
I both own S and H , 2 with EQ and 2 without. As stated, the 60/100 version is a kind of brutal , that being said the C+ thrill is there,
non duplicable, as described once by RBrymer in one word "vicious".

So bottom line, beware when getting a C+, you may be caught by true addiction !! :lol:

Hey, you can't just tell us you have 4 IIC+ without posting some pics! We want the porno!

scott

 

[Pearce117]

Well james hetfield used the simul class c+ with the 105 PT ,a stock one and one with the gain boost mod,the one with gain boost he slaved into a stragtegy 400 simul, so i dont see have a 100/60 HRG could sound even more like him, thats just nonsence.

I had a 83 simul class c+ with the 100 PT that was a bit to soft sounding if you really picky and want the exact james hetfield justice for all crunch, but the one i have now wich is 1985 factory stock simul c+ with eq and the 105 PT ,(Can if you want it too ) sound exactly like james hetfield sound from those days.

The EMG 81`s are also important as is vintage 30`s.

The simul class verson as a surthen complexty in the midrange wich is what made magic on And justice for all , the simul class version is the perfect line between sweetness and brutality.

IMO the c+ can give you so many amazing sounds other then the metallica sound,wich is a pity really.
But there is no getting past the fact that james rytmen crunch sound from those days is generally speaking the most covered and admired heavy metal guitar sound .
When Metallica was on top of the metal world every kid playing metal tryed tweaking there gear to make it sound like them.

BTW i saw metallica live in 1993 with the same outdoor stage , the sound was Godly.

Well I tweak a [LOT] so that's good that it can do so much. As for being picky I'm Scottish and German so I'm cheap and so picky it can be called O,C,D... As for a cab I run a Avatar 4x12 with vintage 30`s and Greenback's. It's so tight and crunchy! I also run the seymour duncan ahb-1 blackouts, I think they are more dynamic then the EMG's.. I really wanna make it as simple and brutal as I can. So your saying a Stock 1985 simul c+ with eq and the 105 PT is the thicket not the 60/100 Non Simul?

Me jamming with a friend on my rig.
http://www.youtube.com/user/stonepearce?feature=mhum#p/u/3/w8r46nk7JJg

 

[Pearce117]

Hey,
Well Fanboy, the first step is admitting you have a problem... lol j/k

I think you will be happy with almost any C+ you get that's in great condition. The best sounding C+ you will want is a Coliseum. I have seen the light, and the Coliseum slays both my HRG and SG IIC+'s, and those two both are perfect, and sound amazing. But that's my opinion...

I would suggest like mreeve25 suggested, a 100/60 watt with EQ or a 60 watt with EQ. From what i have heard and read. the non-simuls are a little more aggressive with a bit more in your face attack. I'm sure you would be equally happy with the 100, X101 or the 105 PT. But you definitely want GEQ. But if you find a simul with GEQ for a good price jump on it.

it's possible to upgrade a non simul to a simul, but it won't have the right transformer, and it's not worth hacking up a perfectly good power section.


and don't worry, if you aren't happy you can flip it.


scott

Well as for getting a Mark IIC+ Coliseum.. I'm only looking to spend around $2,000 and under. I think that's over my price range by just a bit.. lol

 

[Pearce117]

So from what you guys are telling me I think I need the 1985 Simul-Class Mark IIC+ 60/100 head with G-EQ Reverb and the 105pt. Now I just need to find one :roll: Unless the non Simul is more aggressive. in that case I would want that..

 

[Pearce117]

I just missed a combo on craigslist for $1,780 :evil:

 

[Freefall]

If you're looking for a Simul- with EQ and Reverb (DRG), you're gonna have to get VERY lucky to find one within your $2,000 budget, even in this economy.

 

[Pearce117]

Yeah I might be out of luck because I don't have that kind of money to spend. If gas keeps going the way it is there will be more important things to think of before buying my dream amp.

 

[JOEY B.]

Well, James Hetfield used the simul class c+ with the 105 PT, a stock one and one with the gain boost mod, the one with gain boost he slaved into a stragtegy 400 simul, so i dont see how a 100/60 HRG could sound even more like him, that's just nonsence.

The 60/100 with the 105 PT has more headroom for the tight rhythm playing, without a doubt.

The simul class verson as a certain complexty in the midrange which is what made magic on And justice for all , the simul class version is the perfect line between sweetness and brutality..

When speaking of the Metallica (And Justice For All) sound, how can you use the words sweetness, complexity, and especially MIDRANGE, all in the same phrase? That is nonsense. :wink:

IMO the c+ can give you so many amazing sounds other then the metallica sound, which is a pity really..

I agree 110%, it's a real shame that this amp will always be stuck with that stigma, when it can do so much more.