stupid question from beginer...mesa studio and triaxis

[pitfighter66]

Hi everybody.Please dont judge me strong but i have a non experience with tube units and actually mesa product. My short hystory is i am pro athlete and recently retired from sport due to the injury and decided get back to the my teenage hobby. As a result i got egnater rebel head which is all tube and then mesa studio preamp. My main question i put studio pre in the return of egnater head using power section of the head instead fo power amp. I don't gig so play on bedroom volume. Do i have to buy separate power amp ? will it make big differemvce in sound of preamp or the power section of egnater is good enough? Also i really love recto tone so i wondering if triaxis will be right choice for . Again i plan on using it with egnater power section. Thyanks in advance and sorry for basic questions

 

[ando]

You are already doing things in the right way. Whether you like the result is another question, but there is no problem with your connections. Have you already tried it? If so, how did you like it? If it sounds good, it's right!

 

[pitfighter66]

Greatly appriciate your respond. I am using it for the three weeks. I am happy with clean and bluesy sound....but the crunch and heavy dist is not that good... i was expacting ala metallica mark c2 distortion but cannot get it. That is why i am thinking about buying triaxis or single rectifier head. By he way i cannot understand is it bad triaxis without fat mod or good . I have two option one triaxis is serial around 2500 and second one is 8500 so i guess second one will be with the fat mod. And i am so confused about power amp since i cannot try the real one and hate to spend 500 $ if its not gonna make difference.
What you think about this setup triaxis to the single rectifier head ..I mean fx return. Thanks a lot

 

[Danimal]

By he way i cannot understand is it bad triaxis without fat mod or good

You spelled "fat mod" correctly so you're already on the right track!

The fat mod ruined the Lead 1 Red mode and made it entirely too flabby and un-Rectifier like. Avoid it if you can.

 

[pitfighter66]

By he way i cannot understand is it bad triaxis without fat mod or good

You spelled "fat mod" correctly so you're already on the right track!

The fat mod ruined the Lead 1 Red mode and made it entirely too flabby and un-Rectifier like. Avoid it if you can.

thanks i got it . More opinions on using head unit power section instead of real power amp?????. This question bugs me a lot. I have several days more while i can return egnater for the full refund

 

[Danimal]

The power section of the Rectifier is different from the power section of the Mark series amps but it will certainly allow you to play the TriAxis with no problems.

 

[ando]

thanks i got it . More opinions on using head unit power section instead of real power amp?????. This question bugs me a lot. I have several days more while i can return egnater for the full refund

The problem is that you won't know until you try it. There is no other way to know. If you are committed to using a Triaxis based rack setup, then I would say yes, take the Egnater back and find a rack power amp. If you are certain you are going to use the head for something, then you could keep it and try it. There are numerous power amp possibilities if you plan to have a rack only setup. It really depends on the way you want to configure your amp. In terms of sound, it doesn't matter whether you are using a head or a pure power amp - either way, they are functioning as a power amp with the Triaxis. It really comes down to what you need and what sounds good to you. Personally, I don't think you should be taking advice on what sounds good from anyone but yourself.

 

[ryjan]

The Triaxis is a serious piece of equipment for a bedroom player. If you want low volume options you can always use the record out jacks and run them to powered speakers, pa mixer, or to a computer interface. The best option in my opinion though would be to get a Mesa 20/20 power amp. All tube tone and feel, stereo sound, only 20 watts per side so quiet playing will sound good, and you can still crank a 4x12 if the need arises! 8)

 

[pitfighter66]

Thanks a lot to everybody for your comments. Thanks for not making fun of me or my basic questions. I completly agree that i have to find my own sound and the only one way is to try as much gear as posible. But the problem is that such things like triaxis are not availibale at the store in my area so i cannot try it by myself. About power amp. I understand that power amp is personal preference but i was not sure that it is technically correct to plug preamp to the power section of the head. I have read some forums when people said that same preamp sounds like crap in the head and then they plug it to the mesa 20/20 and it's heaven.My 3 weeks experience with studio pream to the Egnater = great clean and bluesy. The lead is wayyyy better then egnater original gain but still not what i am looking for. As a result i start thinking that it's two option 1) The studio is not my type of heavy gain....2) I am not using the potential of studio pre due to the connecting to the head fx return ..By the way what you think is single rectifier lead channel usuable on the bedroom volume ????
What i dont like about rack power amp that the price is close to the head and it can do only one job while head gives more options
P.S Please exuse my spelling mistakes )) my keyboard messed and English is my second language...Thanks for your help and best regards

 

[ando]

There is nothing wrong with connecting through a head via the effects return. It is functioning as a power amp in this case ( like a rack power amp). There is no difference, technically speaking. The only things which may be missing from a head may be certain features like a presence control or deep/modern/half drive modes. I don't actually use those modes on my Mesa 2:90, so it comes down to the tube type and the general design of the amp. It sounds to me like you would probably be happy with a Triaxis running into your Egnator, but I can't guarantee that. The Triaxis is often used from modern US high gain purposes, but you are describing your Egantor as a nice "blues" amp. For that reason, it's hard to say how well they will match. Maybe you will like your Egnator more than the Triaxis - in that case, you will regret selling your Egnator.

What sort of tubes does your Egnator head use? That will give us an idea of what sort of tone it might have as a power amp.

 

[gummx97]

The Triaxis is a serious piece of equipment for a bedroom player. If you want low volume options you can always use the record out jacks and run them to powered speakers, pa mixer, or to a computer interface. The best option in my opinion though would be to get a Mesa 20/20 power amp. All tube tone and feel, stereo sound, only 20 watts per side so quiet playing will sound good, and you can still crank a 4x12 if the need arises! 8)

I have to reiterate this post. Just a suggestion to re-evaluate your needs. Triaxis does sound great, just ask yourself whether you will have the time to program the preamp and with all the options available, is getting the triaxis a justifiable option? From your post, the usage will be for bedroom playing and not for gigging (at least for the moment). There might be other Mesa amps that will fulfill your needs. If you really like the recto sound, maybe the direction might be to get a recto amp and keep what you have.

Then again, if you do try the Triaxis, you might fall in love with it and probably will inspire you to play and practice more!

 

[pitfighter66]

There is nothing wrong with connecting through a head via the effects return. It is functioning as a power amp in this case ( like a rack power amp). There is no difference, technically speaking. The only things which may be missing from a head may be certain features like a presence control or deep/modern/half drive modes. I don't actually use those modes on my Mesa 2:90, so it comes down to the tube type and the general design of the amp. It sounds to me like you would probably be happy with a Triaxis running into your Egnator, but I can't guarantee that. The Triaxis is often used from modern US high gain purposes, but you are describing your Egantor as a nice "blues" amp. For that reason, it's hard to say how well they will match. Maybe you will like your Egnator more than the Triaxis - in that case, you will regret selling your Egnator.

What sort of tubes does your Egnator head use? That will give us an idea of what sort of tone it might have as a power amp.

Oh my bad. I mean that i really love the clean and bluesy tone of mesa studio preamp. Egnater is great amp but mesa studio pre is wayy better. I had chance to try fender blues junior and for my ears studio pre is at least same good but have way more options to dial sound. But my main problem with studio pre is high gain. I cannot dial the gain tone what i like . The reason why i start thinking about triaxis i think that it will let me use tube tone on the bedroom volume . I mean i know that its hard to get real mesa head or amp which will sound deccent on the low volume. And i am actually looking for the US high gain

Egnater power section has two 6l6 and two el34 with the mix switch. So i can mix the power tubes of Egnater. The reason why i bought Egnater head that it's 20 watt head but it has wattage switch so i can choose from 1 to 20 watt.

 

[pitfighter66]

The Triaxis is a serious piece of equipment for a bedroom player. If you want low volume options you can always use the record out jacks and run them to powered speakers, pa mixer, or to a computer interface. The best option in my opinion though would be to get a Mesa 20/20 power amp. All tube tone and feel, stereo sound, only 20 watts per side so quiet playing will sound good, and you can still crank a 4x12 if the need arises! 8)

I have to reiterate this post. Just a suggestion to re-evaluate your needs. Triaxis does sound great, just ask yourself whether you will have the time to program the preamp and with all the options available, is getting the triaxis a justifiable option? From your post, the usage will be for bedroom playing and not for gigging (at least for the moment). There might be other Mesa amps that will fulfill your needs. If you really like the recto sound, maybe the direction might be to get a recto amp and keep what you have.

Then again, if you do try the Triaxis, you might fall in love with it and probably will inspire you to play and practice more!

I am going to use maybe three tones at the most. clean , blues overdrive, high gain . I was thinking about rectifier head or some mesa combo but ........ i was told that real amps really hard to use on bedroom volume

 

[Roadifier]

Egnater power section has two 6l6 and two el34 with the mix switch. So i can mix the power tubes of Egnater. The reason why i bought Egnater head that it's 20 watt head but it has wattage switch so i can choose from 1 to 20 watt.

I actually was going to get the egnater rebel awhile ago and looked into it and got all the specs, The tubes are actually 2 6V6's and 2 EL84's.
If you 6l6's and el34's in the egnater your sound would probably sound better for your style of music.

 

[ryjan]

Maybe a Mark IV or V combo would be up your alley. Both have 3 great channels, both can be switched down to lower wattage, both sound ok at low volumes.

 

[gummx97]

Funny, it's like most of us are suggesting how you spend your money!

Just get a Triaxis then, it's from your post of wanting to get clean, blues overdrive, and high gain, the Triaxis can do them all, and a lot of other things too, all at bedroom volume level, plus in the future, if you do start gigging out, you'll have all the sounds/options of the Triaxis at your disposal, can't go wrong with that.

No one amp can satisfy everyone's needs, there will come a point wherein "compromises" are made and when it will be "good enough."