If I wanted a C+ at this point (I've had my DRG for 33 years), I'd save my money and buy a Mark III Red Stripe and send it back to MB to tweak it. My old roommate had a red stripe...that amp sounded great and got about 90% of the way there.
I'm not taking aim at you but I disagree completely. Your peace and out makes this statement a hit and run.Yes of course but it's not that simple when thinking original components etc. Though it surely would get close to that sound but not 100% territory imo but this is all speculations. You simply can't find those original parts anymore which made that IIC+ sound in the 80´s
It's time to move on I guess..
My reply to you: PLEASE BE QUIET if you don't know what you are talking about. Btw. do you own IIC+, have you compared these amps between modern ones? My reply is going to be short because I don´t want to waste more time regarding this. I know your answer already and sad to say but I don't trust you and your statements, not one bit! Sad But True! Is that a song by Metallica btw..?I'm not taking aim at you but I disagree completely. Your peace and out makes this statement a hit and run.
I'm not an expert, I don't have 300 years experience with amps and electronics and have only had the C and C+ I currently have. I do have 14 pre-90's Marks and have owned more but there are people on this board that have gone through C+'s like sneakers. Has anyone ever said "this amp sounds exactly like the X amp I used to have?" I haven't read it anywhere.
When you speak of 100% territory which one of the original 2000 amps are you calling 100% while the other 1999 are "close to that sound"? No offense but this seems lost on your statement. Would a re-issue get 100%? No, just like the originals didn't. So what is the point?
Blah blah iron. It's huge but it's not like Schumacher is the only company capable of professional standards. Finally, getting the sound is not the same as the feel under your fingers.
You don't argue any of his points, you just tell him to shut up because you somehow know better. Now that's a hit and run. Play nice or play somewhere else, OK? No one's bowing down to your authority here.My reply to you: PLEASE BE QUIET if you don't know what you are talking about. Btw. do you own IIC+, have you compared these amps between modern ones? My reply is going to be short because I don´t want to waste more time regarding this. I know your answer already and sad to say but I don't trust you and your statements, not one bit! Sad But True! Is that a song by Metallica btw..?
Lmao!PLEASE BE QUIET
Why didn’t they make one channel of the JP-2C into a good IIC+ reissue? Isn’t that what it was supposed to have?Oh, I know quite well what I'm talking about. I've owned Mesa amps since the mid 80s and I've been an electronics technician my entire life. I know what's what.
Yes, transformers make a large difference to the tonal options available. If there's a black art in tube amp design, it's in the transformers. The rest is considerably more straightforward. Even picking capacitors for tonal attributes isn't difficult, it just takes an effort to try various types out and see how they change the sound. And they will, depending on construction, not for any magical reason, but because there are other parameters in play other than pure capacitance alone, and the way they are made affects those other parameters.
Transformers are not an insurmountable obstacle. Neither is any other component of a IIC+. If Mesa were to commit to doing a run of reissue IIC+ amps, they COULD do it. It'd take time and money and deals made to reintroduce some parts back into production, but there are no show stoppers.
Wow! Sorry to see you meltdown over some differences of opinion. Chill man. Just because people don’t agree with your opinion doesn’t mean they are trying to argue with you.I'm done here. People say whatever but they don't have experience. Some have but I can clearly say you don't. I have experience, I can tell you that!
So in this case I'm out. All Mesa's amps sounds great. Buy what you find the best on your purpose.
Peace and out!
@woodbutcher65 from your lips to God’s ears!Granted, the reissue would be expensive....but people would pay. Do a limited run of 500 of them, priced at 5000 dollars each, they'll sell every last one of them and probably have deposits on all of them by the end of the first week after opening the order book.
As for tubes, I'm seriously hoping that Mesa has been forward thinking and has been having in-depth talks with Western Electric, which announced that it would be expanding into consumer and pro audio vacuum tube type production last year. They will be making a 6L6 type,
and other types guitar amp owners need. Hopefully their 6L6 will be a faithful clone of the Sylvania 6L6GC/STR 387/415 pattern with equal performance.
Granted, the reissue would be expensive....but people would pay. Do a limited run of 500 of them, priced at 5000 dollars each, they'll sell every last one of them and probably have deposits on all of them by the end of the first week after opening the order book.
You would have the boards assembled in Asia where costs are lower. Many of the components are made in Asia so lead time should be good.Considering how well Marshall's "reissues" of the 1959 Superlead/Plexi have done for Marshall, I don't think there would be any problem with a serious attempt at a IIC+ reissue doing well and being very satisfying to its buyers.
Marshall's closest attempts at Plexi reissues are well regarded and sought after...but they're not very close to authenticity.
Mesa would get closer to a highly authentic reissue without even TRYING.
In terms of production "issues", it would appear to me that the original Mesa style of applying the components on the trace side of the board would mean they can't use machine soldering systems. Everything would have to be hand soldered. But that would not be a deal breaker, as it probably adds a single hour to production time. All the rest of the amp still has to be wired together and they don't have machines to do that, not for any model. Yes, some models use quick connectors and cables. But for the relatively small number required for a Mark II of any version, it would be just as easy to hand wire them the old way. The cost of re-engineering them to use connectorized cables would probably not be worth the savings of labor.
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