spawnofthesith
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I'd prefer a Mark III Reissue
Now that you mention it, that sounds very familiar to what I heard (but my memory sucks, so YMMV). That being said, it seems like you could get anything you wanted built in China to specs for the right price. Look at the tubes, some of the best tubes were coming out of Soviet satellite countries before the fall of the Soviet Union.some sa
the rumor is that build process cannot replicated anymore due to new regulations.
I don’t buy that at all. There are thousands of valves being made everyday yet these amps have discerning transformers. I have a set of Mark 2 transformers in my SOB and I don’t think they are anything special. I’m sure Heyboer could make great sounding transformers for them.some sa
the rumor is that build process cannot replicated anymore due to new regulations.
If that's their official stance I call BS. Wire wrapped around iron, that's all you need. Even if they can't use some specific material, they can create something adequate using modern techniques, even if it's not 100% identical down to the molecule.some sa
the rumor is that build process cannot replicated anymore due to new regulations.
This is my thought as well. Marshall and Fender do a brisk business selling reissues. Vox just keeps pumping out AC15s and AC30s. My issue with the Mark V, and now the Mark VII, is that it only gives a slice of the IIC+. Given its holy grail status, I'd wager the a reissue would do well.If Marshall can reissue their JTM 45, Plexi, JCM 800, and Silver Jubilee, it only seems logical that Mesa/Boogie can make the IIC+. Update it with a detachable IEC power cable, tube cage, and whatever safety regulations are necessary, and get it on the shelves. They will fly out the door, guaranteed! (As long as they don’t come with a stupid-high price.)
They have reissued the Mark 1 amp at least two times. The Mark 1 reissue as well as the Santana amp. They are basically a one channel amp.You are all missing the point.
Mesa doesnt want to go back to two channel with push and pulls. To them It is not user friendly.
And I bet that even if they do it will sound 99,99 close but not 100.
IIC+ soundwise they tried at each iteration to get as close as possible to the iic+. Jp2c and mark VII will get you as close as possible as feel and organic sound.
While jpc might be a little more compressed, the mark vii should be much better in this regard.
Finally Marshall and others did their reissue. Do they sound like the original?
Hell no. 1987 silver jubilee or 1980 2203 will sound much better than their reissue, and everyone knows it, that is why the original still sell for way more bucks.
You are all missing the point.
Mesa doesnt want to go back to two channel with push and pulls. To them It is not user friendly.
And I bet that even if they do it will sound 99,99 close but not 100.
IIC+ soundwise they tried at each iteration to get as close as possible to the iic+. Jp2c and mark VII will get you as close as possible as feel and organic sound.
While jpc might be a little more compressed, the mark vii should be much better in this regard.
Finally Marshall and others did their reissue. Do they sound like the original?
Hell no. 1987 silver jubilee or 1980 2203 will sound much better than their reissue, and everyone knows it, that is why the original still sell for way more bucks.
Reality is that even if the re-issues were better the originals would still sell for way more. I never cared for the word vintage but a guitar from the 70's has moved away from players into collector status. You can buy a new Squier that will be much more reliable out of the box for 1/10th the price.Hell no. 1987 silver jubilee or 1980 2203 will sound much better than their reissue, and everyone knows it, that is why the original still sell for way more bucks.
Absolutely wrong! What about transformers? Little different league than some caps, resistors etc. You clearly don't know what you are talking about..The notion that the sound is in unique special components that aren't made anymore is bogus. Or another word with the letters B and S in it.
Caps? Orange drops. Still made today by CDE. Resistors? Same Vishay resistors made in '78 are still made today.
Anybody who wants a Mark II or III reissue doesn't have a problem with the control and pull switch layout.
Build what the customers want built. They know what they want.
Some people LIKE their cars to have manual transmissions and no computer.
Do you own IIC+ or pre-500? Have you compared them between example Mark V IIC+ or Dual Rectifier? If you have and you have an ear, I'm pretty sure you know what I'm talking about.The notion that the sound is in unique special components that aren't made anymore is bogus. Or another word with the letters B and S in it.
Caps? Orange drops. Still made today by CDE. Resistors? Same Vishay resistors made in '78 are still made today.
Anybody who wants a Mark II or III reissue doesn't have a problem with the control and pull switch layout.
Build what the customers want built. They know what they want.
Some people LIKE their cars to have manual transmissions and no computer.
On the other hand, you could put two IIC+ in a room together, and with a few decades of component drift in the resistors and caps, even they wouldn't sound the same at this point. So any comparison between a IIC+ and the Mark V version of it rather begs the question of which IIC+ you're using. As for transformers, they can be built to spec.Do you own IIC+ or pre-500? Have you compared them between example Mark V IIC+ or Dual Rectifier? If you have and you have an ear, I'm pretty sure you know what I'm talking about.
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