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Roadster, Dual Rectifier, or Triple Rectifier and which cab?

  • Roadster

    Votes: 23 69.7%
  • Dual Rectifier

    Votes: 7 21.2%
  • Triple Rectifier

    Votes: 2 6.1%
  • Road King cab

    Votes: 2 6.1%
  • Rectifier cab

    Votes: 19 57.6%

  • Total voters
    33
JW123 said:
EVHalen said:
You have the gain knob maxed out??????????


Sounds to me like you just need a fuzz pedal, cause any of my amps maxed, thats all you get is fuzz or buzz saw.

Im not familiar with Paramore


Holy crap did he really ask for a Paramore tone? :shock:
Thats a lil kid band that sings that song "misery business"

EVHalen- that tone (i went and checked) is fairly simple. Put everything at noon and then dial slightly from there on vintage mode. I highly doubt they use Boogie heads though, prob a marshall.

And maxing the gain like that? No offense but that's attempting to play the brootalz not Paramore teeny bop stuff lol.
 
Elixir said:
JW123 said:
EVHalen said:
You have the gain knob maxed out??????????


Sounds to me like you just need a fuzz pedal, cause any of my amps maxed, thats all you get is fuzz or buzz saw.

Im not familiar with Paramore


Holy crap did he really ask for a Paramore tone? :shock:
Thats a lil kid band that sings that song "misery business"

EVHalen- that tone (i went and checked) is fairly simple. Put everything at noon and then dial slightly from there on vintage mode. I highly doubt they use Boogie heads though, prob a marshall.

And maxing the gain like that? No offense but that's attempting to play the brootalz not Paramore teeny bop stuff lol.
I never said I was a huge Paramore fan. I just thought that particular tone sounded pretty heavy. Would you go with the Roadster then? Versatility would be a plus for me.
 
Elixir said:
JW123 said:
EVHalen said:
You have the gain knob maxed out??????????


Sounds to me like you just need a fuzz pedal, cause any of my amps maxed, thats all you get is fuzz or buzz saw.

Im not familiar with Paramore


Holy crap did he really ask for a Paramore tone? :shock:
Thats a lil kid band that sings that song "misery business"

EVHalen- that tone (i went and checked) is fairly simple. Put everything at noon and then dial slightly from there on vintage mode. I highly doubt they use Boogie heads though, prob a marshall.

And maxing the gain like that? No offense but that's attempting to play the brootalz not Paramore teeny bop stuff lol.
Oh, and I checked the music video. I see a Mesa logo on the cabs. It may not mean they used one, but that's the actual guitarist that played on the track.
 
This message may seem a bit condescending but please don't take it as that. I have no clue as to your ability to play guitar, or your experience in dialing in amps, however, I do notice that you are making a fairly common mistake when it comes to your expectations of "gain". This is evident in your assertion that a tsl does not have enough gain for your taste.

One thing I found in my quest for gain (every guitar player goes through it) is that gain isn't exactly what you think it is. Remember, most of the recordings you hear are heavily studio processed. They use all kinds of gear to get the sound to the shape that they want. They have processors in front of the gain stages of their amps that provide a hotter signal into the pre-amp. They are also not recording at gigging levels.

When these bands go on the road, things sound different. They don't always use the same equipment etc. This is why live concerts sound significantly different than most studio stuff.

What you really need to do is change your quest. Move from a quest for gain, to a quest for tone. Don't try and reproduce what you hear on CD's etc. Try and create sounds from your gear that capture the atmosphere of what you are copying.

VERY few amplifiers sound good with the gain maxed. My son played like that all the time and it made me cringe. Maxing out the gain has 2 major bad influences on your sound.

1) Makes it sound thin, and when you play with others, you will NOT cut through the mix
2) Makes it VERY noisy. When you play with others your amp will be howling all the time because the volume level you have to run to cut through will cause your rig to feedback

Not to mention it will wear out your pre-amp tubes very quickly. In fact, in most mesa boogie manuals it warns against maxing the gain. In fact, as far as "high gain" amps go, MESA is not the be-all-end-all. In fact, they are pretty much middle of the road.

Take Zakk for example. Live, he uses hot rodded marshalls for his sound. He's got them setup for his rhythm sound. When he wants his lead tone, he stomps on a boss SD-1 overdrive. In an interview I read once, he said "when you step on that OD, you better be playing" or something like that. This is because his rig will make everyone's ears melt if it starts to feedback, even in a stadium.

Slash is very similar. Heavier bands do the same thing, but typically have rigs setup for their sound. Pre-amps before their actual amps (very generically speaking that is).

So, basically, what I am trying to say is, do not purchase an amp with your main purchasing factor being the amount of gain that you are after. Find an amp that you fall in love with the tone, then start shaping your sound with that amp. Don't be afraid of front end processing.
 
EVHalen said:
I never said I was a huge Paramore fan. I just thought that particular tone sounded pretty heavy. Would you go with the Roadster then? Versatility would be a plus for me.

Never said you were but i was shocked that you thought this tone was heavy, that tone is not heavy by any means of the word. What else do you play? how long have you played? I don't know if a Boogie, especially a Roadster is for you. A Roadster will set you back 1400-1600 used or 2k new and take you multiple manual reads, and tweaking before you get anything out of it.

Oh and mesa cabs are used with different heads all the time.

If you were to buy a boogie I'd say go the used route and possibly get a rectoverb combo or single rec head+cab. Also, consider the Peavey 6505, that has enough gain to kill a cow on sight.
 
A Recto amp isn't going to have more gain than a TSL. It's just different gain.

If you have the money go for a Roadster.


Like everyone said so far, don't turn your gain all the way up. It doesn't make things sound heavier especially in a band situation. People wont hear you. When you crank the gain the sound compresses and the low end gets flubby, all definition is lost and definition is heaviness! That chunk and chugga chugga comes from the attack of the strings and you lose attack when compression happens.

The sounds you are going for are all in your Marshall really. It can do them even though I'm not a big fan of the TSL, there is enough gain for whatever. It's just learning how to dial it in properly. Now Rammstein typically used Mesa, VHT, and even a Sansamp. Now I think they are using Bogner Uberschalls. Paramore, their sound could be any modern amp.

I don't think you can go wrong with any of these amp. They all have more than enough gain and power. The Roadster just has more features.
 
Elixir said:
EVHalen said:
I never said I was a huge Paramore fan. I just thought that particular tone sounded pretty heavy. Would you go with the Roadster then? Versatility would be a plus for me.

Never said you were but i was shocked that you thought this tone was heavy, that tone is not heavy by any means of the word. What else do you play? how long have you played? I don't know if a Boogie, especially a Roadster is for you. A Roadster will set you back 1400-1600 used or 2k new and take you multiple manual reads, and tweaking before you get anything out of it.

Oh and mesa cabs are used with different heads all the time.

If you were to buy a boogie I'd say go the used route and possibly get a rectoverb combo or single rec head+cab. Also, consider the Peavey 6505, that has enough gain to kill a cow on sight.
We must not be hearing the same guitar sound. They use several different ones on that track. And I found it on the spot to provide a second example of a modern-type tone.

As for other stuff I play, I like Van Halen (obviously), Giant, KISS, Skid Row, Motley Crue, and pretty much any 80's hair band in existence. I have been playing 9 years, so I definately have plenty of experience. I feel like I'm at the Guitar Center where people who don't know what they're talking about are acting like I don't know how to properly work an amp.

I'm not too crazy about the 6505... the crunch channels aren't bad, but the clean completely sucks.
 
pokerrules47 said:
This message may seem a bit condescending but please don't take it as that. I have no clue as to your ability to play guitar, or your experience in dialing in amps, however, I do notice that you are making a fairly common mistake when it comes to your expectations of "gain". This is evident in your assertion that a tsl does not have enough gain for your taste.

One thing I found in my quest for gain (every guitar player goes through it) is that gain isn't exactly what you think it is. Remember, most of the recordings you hear are heavily studio processed. They use all kinds of gear to get the sound to the shape that they want. They have processors in front of the gain stages of their amps that provide a hotter signal into the pre-amp. They are also not recording at gigging levels.

When these bands go on the road, things sound different. They don't always use the same equipment etc. This is why live concerts sound significantly different than most studio stuff.

What you really need to do is change your quest. Move from a quest for gain, to a quest for tone. Don't try and reproduce what you hear on CD's etc. Try and create sounds from your gear that capture the atmosphere of what you are copying.

VERY few amplifiers sound good with the gain maxed. My son played like that all the time and it made me cringe. Maxing out the gain has 2 major bad influences on your sound.

1) Makes it sound thin, and when you play with others, you will NOT cut through the mix
2) Makes it VERY noisy. When you play with others your amp will be howling all the time because the volume level you have to run to cut through will cause your rig to feedback

Not to mention it will wear out your pre-amp tubes very quickly. In fact, in most mesa boogie manuals it warns against maxing the gain. In fact, as far as "high gain" amps go, MESA is not the be-all-end-all. In fact, they are pretty much middle of the road.

Take Zakk for example. Live, he uses hot rodded marshalls for his sound. He's got them setup for his rhythm sound. When he wants his lead tone, he stomps on a boss SD-1 overdrive. In an interview I read once, he said "when you step on that OD, you better be playing" or something like that. This is because his rig will make everyone's ears melt if it starts to feedback, even in a stadium.

Slash is very similar. Heavier bands do the same thing, but typically have rigs setup for their sound. Pre-amps before their actual amps (very generically speaking that is).

So, basically, what I am trying to say is, do not purchase an amp with your main purchasing factor being the amount of gain that you are after. Find an amp that you fall in love with the tone, then start shaping your sound with that amp. Don't be afraid of front end processing.
I'm not too fond of the idea of having distortion pedals messing with the true sound of an amp. I like the EVH approach. "If you have a quality guitar and a quality amp, you shouldn't need any extra distortion or overdrive pedals." (I was paraphrasing there)

And about having the gain on 10, that may be the case for Mesa, but I've been doing it for years on the Marshall, and I always cut through just fine. It wasn't thin, but had a little bit of feedback on the Lead channel (which is useful in some situations). When I'm not playing, I usually switch it to Clean.

All the different pre amps and front end processing may be great for the studio, but unless I have 10 roadies setting up all my stuff in a giant arena, it will most likely take up too much space.
 
EVHalen said:
As for other stuff I play, I like Van Halen (obviously), Giant, KISS, Skid Row, Motley Crue, and pretty much any 80's hair band in existence. I have been playing 9 years, so I definately have plenty of experience. I feel like I'm at the Guitar Center where people who don't know what they're talking about are acting like I don't know how to properly work an amp.

You need to get yourself a Marshall/Marshallesque amp, I'm suprised you're on the boogie board actually. :D

Look into a Mark series amp, that will get you closer imo.
 
Now that I hear more of what you have to say, you should get a 5150III. I hear they have a much better clean than any of EVH's amps and more gain than you will ever need.

Good luck finding the sound you want. I think it will be tough when you think that brandishing your 9 years of playing justifies that you know what you are talking about. If you knew that much you wouldn't be on the forum asking which of 3 amps you should get and comparing Rammstein and Paramore!
 
Turumbar82 said:
Now that I hear more of what you have to say, you should get a 5150III. I hear they have a much better clean than any of EVH's amps and more gain than you will ever need.

Good luck finding the sound you want. I think it will be tough when you think that brandishing your 9 years of playing justifies that you know what you are talking about. If you knew that much you wouldn't be on the forum asking which of 3 amps you should get and comparing Rammstein and Paramore!
I'll look into the 5150 III. I've heard good and bad things about it. I guess the only way to know is to take it for a test drive.

Considering that 9 years is more than half of the time I've been alive, I'd say I know a little of what I'm talking about. I'm new to Mesa amps obviously, which is why I'm here. And I never compared Rammstein and Paramore. I'm simply asking about Mesa sounds.
 
If 9 years is more than half the time you've been alive that means you are less than 18 years old. Sorry, 9 years doesn't prove anything. I knew an older guy when I was in highschool who had been playing for 20 some years and he didn't know crap. I knew a kid in college who had played for 7 years and he couldn't even tune his guitar. The years you have been playing don't mean anything. Your knowledge alone proves how much you know.

Don't be a normal teenager and act like you "know".
 
Turumbar82 said:
If 9 years is more than half the time you've been alive that means you are less than 18 years old. Sorry, 9 years doesn't prove anything. I knew an older guy when I was in highschool who had been playing for 20 some years and he didn't know crap. I knew a kid in college who had played for 7 years and he couldn't even tune his guitar. The years you have been playing don't mean anything. Your knowledge alone proves how much you know.

Don't be a normal teenager and act like you "know".
Ok, I agree with you on that. I know some people who have been playing longer than me too, (who don't know crap). So let me rephrase... 9 years of hard work. It's actually been 10 years now, because it was a summer when I started. (I've just gotten used to saying 9 years when people ask me). By the way I like that quote, "Your knowledge alone proves how much you know." It's simple, but true.

Sorry, didn't mean to come across as a know-it-all. Although, don't underestimate me because of my age. :wink:
 
Oh, and I've been reading (and listening)... and it sounds like EL34 tubes give Boogies a brighter sound and tighter bass than 6L6's. Do Roadsters come with EL34's in them? If not, are there any brands besides Mesa tubes that wouldn't void the warrenty?
 
EVHalen said:
Oh, and I've been reading (and listening)... and it sounds like EL34 tubes give Boogies a brighter sound and tighter bass than 6L6's. Do Roadsters come with EL34's in them? If not, are there any brands besides Mesa tubes that wouldn't void the warrenty?

No, they don't come with el34's. Generally speaking, el34's will give the roadster a more marshally sound. You should contact mesa about tube choices as their official policy seems to vary from time to time. Make sure you get the name of the tech that gives you advice.
 
I prefer the El34s in my Roadster right now and as long as they are boogie tubes it wont void warranty.
 
pokerrules47 said:
EVHalen said:
Oh, and I've been reading (and listening)... and it sounds like EL34 tubes give Boogies a brighter sound and tighter bass than 6L6's. Do Roadsters come with EL34's in them? If not, are there any brands besides Mesa tubes that wouldn't void the warrenty?

No, they don't come with el34's. Generally speaking, el34's will give the roadster a more marshally sound. You should contact mesa about tube choices as their official policy seems to vary from time to time. Make sure you get the name of the tech that gives you advice.
Thanks for the info. Everyone has been very helpful with answering questions.

I like the guy's tone in this video (he used EL34's)...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIvuBaDAPyk
Can a Roadster and a Rectifier cab pull that sound off? Or does the Alien cab make all the difference?
 
EVHalen said:
pokerrules47 said:
EVHalen said:
Oh, and I've been reading (and listening)... and it sounds like EL34 tubes give Boogies a brighter sound and tighter bass than 6L6's. Do Roadsters come with EL34's in them? If not, are there any brands besides Mesa tubes that wouldn't void the warrenty?

No, they don't come with el34's. Generally speaking, el34's will give the roadster a more marshally sound. You should contact mesa about tube choices as their official policy seems to vary from time to time. Make sure you get the name of the tech that gives you advice.
Thanks for the info. Everyone has been very helpful with answering questions.

I like the guy's tone in this video (he used EL34's)...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIvuBaDAPyk
Can a Roadster and a Rectifier cab pull that sound off? Or does the Alien cab make all the difference?
His tone is ok, a mesa cab would give you a much better tone than that.
 
Awesome! In these forums, I've read a lot about people using Maxon808 OD pedals with their Roadsters to "tighten up" the sound. Since I'm not really a speed metal player, would you still recommend one?
 
EVHalen said:
Awesome! In these forums, I've read a lot about people using Maxon808 OD pedals with their Roadsters to "tighten up" the sound. Since I'm not really a speed metal player, would you still recommend one?
yup.
 

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