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I don't know, but the new 5:25 1 x 12 combo is supposedly selling for $30 more than the 5:50 1 x 12 combo that I bough last Sunday!
price increase rough idea
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Elpelotero
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Given the current economy, I think it's stupid to make this move. Just because it's a new year does not mean prices automatically have to go up. Of course there's always inflation, but most people aren't looking to throw down money right now.
siggy14
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well you guys have to remember, we are not the only ones feeling the price increase. The parts for mesa, as well as delivery etc.. are going up for mesa, not to mention they are probaly giving there employee's raises yearly it starts to add up.
Also remember, mesa USA made, Fender mexico made, big time different in price of labor.
Also remember, mesa USA made, Fender mexico made, big time different in price of labor.
siggy14 said:
True, but the cost basis for Mesa amps is typically irrelevant in terms of what a consumer uses as buying criteria. In other words, cost increases are Mesa's problem. As a consumer, we simply judge the value of Mesa's product against it's price to us. So while it may be rational that Mesa is in effect passing on their cost increases to their consumers, all we know is the price is going up. It's Mesa's choice. After all they could choose to take less profit margin, i.e. suck up any cost increases. They are betting the price increases won't impact their unit and revenue growth for the negative.
I suspect most increases will be single digit percentages. These should be a non-factor to the guy above saying he's buying a DRRI vs. Mesa because of the price. He's making that decision based on the current price difference of several hundred $. A $50 or $100 increase on the Mesa side likely won't be the deal breaker.
As for the economy being bad, I think the Mesa price increases won't have any impact on people shopping for amps in this range. If you are going to spend between $1200 and $2500 for an amp, and you are wavering because you think the economy is bad, I bet it's probably a poor financial decision for you in the first place, irrespective of the economy. i.e. you probably shouldn't be buying it anyway. For those that have the disposable income to shop at this price range, a $100 increase won't be a deal breaker in most cases.
That said, sure, a few sales will be lost due to higher prices.
All of that said.....Mesa's prices still pale behind the competition -- just take a look a Bogner.
Reason I am going with a DRRI vice the 5:25, is that for the purpose intended, the 5:25 at it's current price is a difference of about $500, with the price increase, it takes it up to near $700.....and that is too much to pay for a lead/gain channel. A great boutique pedal can take care of that for much less.
And the cleans on the DRRI are miles better (IMO) than the 5:25
Reason I am going with a DRRI vice the 5:25, is that for the purpose intended, the 5:25 at it's current price is a difference of about $500, with the price increase, it takes it up to near $700.....and that is too much to pay for a lead/gain channel. A great boutique pedal can take care of that for much less.
And the cleans on the DRRI are miles better (IMO) than the 5:25
Ohaire
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I actually saw the list at a dealer near me last weekend when i went to check out a Roadster head.
It looked like $100 increase mostly, but the only ones I def. remember were the Triple Rec going from $1799 to $1899 and the Roadster going from $1899 to $1999
It looked like $100 increase mostly, but the only ones I def. remember were the Triple Rec going from $1799 to $1899 and the Roadster going from $1899 to $1999
LSS Combos $1799/$1899
LSC Combos $1899/$1999
MKIV $1899/$1999
RK II $2749/$2949
Roadster $1999/$2099/$2199
Express 5:25 1x10 $1149
Express 5:25 1x12 $1229
Express 5:50 $1249/$1299/$1399
That's all I have been able to confirm so far.
LSC Combos $1899/$1999
MKIV $1899/$1999
RK II $2749/$2949
Roadster $1999/$2099/$2199
Express 5:25 1x10 $1149
Express 5:25 1x12 $1229
Express 5:50 $1249/$1299/$1399
That's all I have been able to confirm so far.
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Yeah but Boogie is NO Bogner IMO.JAZZGEAR said:
Personally, I think Mesa is starting to reach a bit with these prices. Especially the Express series. Sure Mesa has more "Bells and Whistles" on these amps, but they are REALLY starting to get into the boutique category here. SURE Mesa STARTED out as "boutique", but let's be honest they are a PRODUCTION amp company now.
When you're looking at an average of $2k for these amps with the flagship approaching $3k, you really (At least I will) start taking a hard look at other boutique amp companies you read about but aren't in your local stores. This is where boogie has the advantage in distribution. I love my Mark IV (When it's dialed in right of course), but the last couple of years I have NOT been impressed by Boogie's offerings. Great ideas and marketing, but just not delivering IMO. Who knows.. maybe as I mature I'm moving away from boogie land...end of rant. Flame suit on!
phyrexia
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What's your definition of "production"? If Fender and Marshall are production amps, then Boogie's still boutique if you go by sales and the size of the company.
Can you call fender and ask how to mod your Super Sonic? No, but you can call Boogie and talk to Mike B, a guy who may have soldered your amp. Likewise, you can call and talk to Reinholdt if you're crazy about Bogner.
Can you call fender and ask how to mod your Super Sonic? No, but you can call Boogie and talk to Mike B, a guy who may have soldered your amp. Likewise, you can call and talk to Reinholdt if you're crazy about Bogner.
I've seen Mesa's factory and I wouldn't consider it a boutique shop by any means. I don't think that's a bad thing though I'm sure everyone on this board can agree they are great amps. And as far as production amps are concerned I think they are the best out there right now.
I don't like the price increase either but considering what other amps are going for on the market right now I think the price is right.
I don't like the price increase either but considering what other amps are going for on the market right now I think the price is right.
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NuSkoolTone said:
BINGO!!! I love Boogie amps, always have. BUT!!! Look at my sig. The only amp I own that is "current" is a Mark IV. I have not been impressed with anything they have come out with in a long time. I think they are cutting corners. If you look at the DC-5 for instance, it had a GR EQ, master output, better loop than it's decendants, (F-50 and Nomad 50). They call it progress to give a contour pre-scooped eq button rather than a usable GR EQ. I call it saving a production buck.
And if anyone out there thinks it is acceptible to have channel switching pop at this price range, IT IS NOT. I owned a Roadster for a week. Good amp but it popped. I read here there is a pedal tap dancing trick that can fix it, but to me that **** is ghetto.
I called Mesa and got the canned "you cant have that many features with that kind of high gain in an amp and have it not pop due to the switching mechanism" answer.
Tell that to VHT, Bogner and other respectable amp makers. I don't think they know that yet because their high gain offerings don't pop.
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I think i will not buy new until they come out with an amp that has the rhythem channel from a 92 dual and lead of a mk2c+ i can live w/o a clean channel 
,,seriously i just buy used, but i can still dream :twisted:
,,seriously i just buy used, but i can still dream :twisted:NuSkoolTone
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JAZZGEAR said:
Yah ok dude. You're entitled to your opinion. You're right one is certainly not the other, however IMO Bogner is of a totally different caliber and a little more justified in its prices. YMMV, and that's fine with me.
JAZZGEAR said:
First, fix the quote man. I didn't say that. Second, Power amp technologies aside, the bottom line is how it sounds (of course). I've never "missed" playing Simul-Class, dyna-watt, et al.. on any other amp I've played that didn't have it. With the exception of progressive linkage, I find most of that stuff a gimmick for the most part. Not trying to discredit those "achievements" from Boogie, but those "Features" are not what I think of when I express what I find appealing about boogie which are features (ones that matter to me anyway), versatility, and until recently (IMO) solid reliable build, Great tone, and reasonable value for professional gear.
This is starting to go off topic (And I apologize) but I think boogie is trying to be too many things to too many people. Their marketing is proof of this as (IMO) it is somewhat misleading. Just say what the amp can actually do and that's it! In fact, engineer the amp so it excels at that particular market.
Even Segment things. The express is a perfect example. The clean was great and many of us here were disappointed with the dirt channel. How much better could have it been (Again IMO) if there was an Express where the dirt channel was more oriented towards blues guys, and an Express Plus that had a Gain Channel that was more recto/F-50 ish? Of course then the 4 modes switch wouldn't make much sense, but personally I would have been happier had it been two great channels instead of 1 that was great and another 3 that were lame. Again, trying to be too many things to too many people.
Mesa is not a BOUTIQUE amp maker???
This is a very miopic point of view. Any Marketing kindergarden student knows that when you are talking about "product", you are actually meaning "product + service".
Call Mesa Boogie and ask for anybody in Customer Service or even for the legendary Mike Bendinelli. You can ask the most complicated questions and they will reply them with total candor and with the most common sense advice.
They work only 4 days/week. Is that a PRODUCTION type company??
They make everything here in the US, they don't send anything to assemble in Mexico or China? Is that a PRODUCTION type company?
Coming back to my original point:
- call Eminence about some speakers specs... "I don't know, they are old speakers".
- call Fender and ask about what string gauge some models were factory equipped in the 90's... they don't know, they reply as if you are bothering them, their replies are also very confusing, they don't even read the info they post in their own website.
I am always willing to pay some extra for that "service" component of their "products".
Be a little more objective before engaging into this kind of Mesa-bashing weeping.
Regards
Daniel
This is a very miopic point of view. Any Marketing kindergarden student knows that when you are talking about "product", you are actually meaning "product + service".
Call Mesa Boogie and ask for anybody in Customer Service or even for the legendary Mike Bendinelli. You can ask the most complicated questions and they will reply them with total candor and with the most common sense advice.
They work only 4 days/week. Is that a PRODUCTION type company??
They make everything here in the US, they don't send anything to assemble in Mexico or China? Is that a PRODUCTION type company?
Coming back to my original point:
- call Eminence about some speakers specs... "I don't know, they are old speakers".
- call Fender and ask about what string gauge some models were factory equipped in the 90's... they don't know, they reply as if you are bothering them, their replies are also very confusing, they don't even read the info they post in their own website.
I am always willing to pay some extra for that "service" component of their "products".
Be a little more objective before engaging into this kind of Mesa-bashing weeping.
Regards
Daniel
igfraso said:
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Wow. I didn't think the guy was Mesa bashing. Are we to the point where people that may not think Mesa is the holy grail are going to be shouted down?
He just said he thought the prices were getting too high and that Mesa was falling off in their innovation and quality. Ok, that's his opinion. It's not bashing.
He's right on the popping comment though. For $2000, the amp pops when switching channels? Not good.
simonich said:
My point was that neither has an upper hand on the other it's just opinions....
....let see, the Bogner Shiva, a basic 2 channel amp, at a tune of $2600 fo r years had an unsuable effects loop for use with pedals.....then Bogner patched it up (many years later) by offering a special cable...and now today after many years it has been fixed.....though not to the standard of alot of users.
So see...flaws can also be found on the great Bogners. And hey, I happen to love the tone of the Shiva
