totally agree with both of you..... it just seems you get a lot of elitist on there that will only swear by massively expensive gear (ie diezel, engl, framus, bogner, etc.), which is fine because those are incredible amps but it seems if you dont take out a lean on your house to buy it its worth ****. Plus all the little teeny boppers as i like to call them just cause arguements in most of the good threads.... this is probably why i stick to GT and only go to HC for some laughs.... there is actually a great thread on there over their noobie misconceptions about gear... like speakers behind the grille of an amphead...anyway thanks for humoring my question