New JP2C Owner/Cab Suggestions

[paulg2uk]

Hi guys,

I hope you are all well. I'm back after a long time away from owning a Boogie. Well kinda of anyway I still own a Traixis but I'm selling that now to pay for a new JP2C. I've been using the Fractal stuff for around 6 years which I will continue to use them but I just missed having an amp. I guess I'm finally tired of tweaking lol.

My first Boogie was a 2x12 Tremoverb combo back in the 90's and then I bought a RK1 then a RKII. After that I moved over to a MKV, JP2C and then after that I got into the modelling stuff.

Anyway I just wanted to ask if anyone has tried any of the new Boogie cabs at all? What did you think?

I have an old Boogie 2x12 with V30's in but wanted to get a 1x12 like I used to have a few years back, that had a C90 in. One that caught my eye was the new 2x10 cab with creambacks in. I thought it might be a good choice. What do you guys think? or should I just stick to the c90 or v30?

I don't really play metal or prog rock but I do like JP's solo sound and rhythm channels and also that sparkling clean he gets too. Which I've always tried to get myself when using a Boogie.

Many thanks

Paul

 

[bandit2013]

The following is based on my personal opinion.

You would be better off with the 12inch speaker. If you get a 112 with C90, you can easily replace that speaker with an EVM12L later on, JP2C and the Mark VII sound extremely good with the EVM12L Classic speaker. You could opt for the black label version, they sound much the same. I have a Mesa wide body open back cab that I installed the EVM12L Classic. Was thinking of getting another. Too bad they do not sell the cabs without speakers. I never had much luck with the MC90, mostly due to the dust cap separating from the cone when driving it at gig level. The EV solution was the best move for me when using it with the JP2C or the Mark VII. Not only do you get more power handling capacity, the clean channels never sounded better. Even the gain channels are awesome. EV is not a suitable choice for the Mark V90 or the Mark IVB as they have a boxy, honky sound to them. The Celestion Cream back G12H-75 does work well with that.

I have tried the Boogie 410 cab. The JP2C is on top of it on the left and the Mark VII is on the Vertical 212 cab. There is more of a fuller tone from the Recto V212 on the right with the V30 speakers than compared to the 10" cream backs. I much prefer the V212 or the EV loaded 112 (in the far left). Before I go further with this, I must make it clear that I have the Mesa STR415 tubes in the JP2C. Not sure if that will have an impact on how the 10 inch cab would sound. That being said, the JP2C has the right amount of tone density to make that 10 inch cab sound good. It is very different and something you would have to grow into to appreciate it. Good for solo work if you want to stand out. Not all that great for all around playing.

The one 410 was enough, I sort of wish I did not get two of them. I had visions of grandeur I suppose. It is not bad. The JP2C was one that did the best job at pushing that cabinet. It sounds huge with just the one as it will have a punchy low end but not as low in frequency as the 12 inch speaker. I a bit thin o the midrange and top end is a bit slim as well. I had to pull the presence control out and boost it to compensate. Then it sounded really good but not as great as a 212 cab.
I believe the 410 was focused more so for the Filmore amp line.

I thought having two of the 410 cabs would be a better compromise to a full stack of 412 cabs. It does tower over the two badlanders on the V212 cabs. I make mistakes just like everyone else.
The full stack idea was not a wise move. Seems that once you raise the one 410 off of the floor it gets bright as hell and looses the low end. Depends on what type of music you are after.

My speaker choice would have to go to the versatile V212 cab. Works with just about anything that will fit on top of it. JP2C, Mark VII, Badlander, TC100, TC50, even a Mark V90. The wide body 112 on the left would be my first pick if going out of the home to play. That is the one I loaded the EV speaker into. All three have the same width dimensions. the Vertical 212 being the deepest. No casters for the 410 either. Too narrow of a depth to support an amp with the cab on casters.

Needless to say, the 410 cabs went into storage. Not sure if I will ever make use of them. Bummer. I was considering making a change in one cabinet by replacing two of the speakers with the Celestion G10 Vintage (has the same voice coil of the V30) to see if there is any change in characteristics. The 10" cream backs are not all that bad, just not what I was expecting.

 

[paulg2uk]

The following is based on my personal opinion.

You would be better off with the 12inch speaker. If you get a 112 with C90, you can easily replace that speaker with an EVM12L later on, JP2C and the Mark VII sound extremely good with the EVM12L Classic speaker. You could opt for the black label version, they sound much the same. I have a Mesa wide body open back cab that I installed the EVM12L Classic. Was thinking of getting another. Too bad they do not sell the cabs without speakers. I never had much luck with the MC90, mostly due to the dust cap separating from the cone when driving it at gig level. The EV solution was the best move for me when using it with the JP2C or the Mark VII. Not only do you get more power handling capacity, the clean channels never sounded better. Even the gain channels are awesome. EV is not a suitable choice for the Mark V90 or the Mark IVB as they have a boxy, honky sound to them. The Celestion Cream back G12H-75 does work well with that.

I have tried the Boogie 410 cab. The JP2C is on top of it on the left and the Mark VII is on the Vertical 212 cab. There is more of a fuller tone from the Recto V212 on the right with the V30 speakers than compared to the 10" cream backs. I much prefer the V212 or the EV loaded 112 (in the far left). Before I go further with this, I must make it clear that I have the Mesa STR415 tubes in the JP2C. Not sure if that will have an impact on how the 10 inch cab would sound. That being said, the JP2C has the right amount of tone density to make that 10 inch cab sound good. It is very different and something you would have to grow into to appreciate it. Good for solo work if you want to stand out. Not all that great for all around playing.

The one 410 was enough, I sort of wish I did not get two of them. I had visions of grandeur I suppose. It is not bad. The JP2C was one that did the best job at pushing that cabinet. It sounds huge with just the one as it will have a punchy low end but not as low in frequency as the 12 inch speaker. I a bit thin o the midrange and top end is a bit slim as well. I had to pull the presence control out and boost it to compensate. Then it sounded really good but not as great as a 212 cab.
I believe the 410 was focused more so for the Filmore amp line.

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I thought having two of the 410 cabs would be a better compromise to a full stack of 412 cabs. It does tower over the two badlanders on the V212 cabs. I make mistakes just like everyone else.
The full stack idea was not a wise move. Seems that once you raise the one 410 off of the floor it gets bright as hell and looses the low end. Depends on what type of music you are after.

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My speaker choice would have to go to the versatile V212 cab. Works with just about anything that will fit on top of it. JP2C, Mark VII, Badlander, TC100, TC50, even a Mark V90. The wide body 112 on the left would be my first pick if going out of the home to play. That is the one I loaded the EV speaker into. All three have the same width dimensions. the Vertical 212 being the deepest. No casters for the 410 either. Too narrow of a depth to support an amp with the cab on casters.


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Needless to say, the 410 cabs went into storage. Not sure if I will ever make use of them. Bummer. I was considering making a change in one cabinet by replacing two of the speakers with the Celestion G10 Vintage (has the same voice coil of the V30) to see if there is any change in characteristics. The 10" cream backs are not all that bad, just not what I was expecting.

Many thanks for your opinion on that I really appreciate it! Interesting to hear that the 2 x10 might not work out. I guess I need to try it for myself. I have actually thought of putting an EV12L in a Boogie 1x12 mainly because of the higher headroom.

I'm actually wondering I know JP uses 1x12's live nowadays and what speakers are actually in those cabs, it would be interesting to know. Probably V30's Id imagine. Something to think about! Thanks again!

 

[Darkstar2]

I’m running my JP2C through a Mesa 2x12 vertical and horizontal. It sounds good. Can recommend! I’d like a traditional 4x12 straight cab (anyone want to sell me one?!). I’m also on the hunt for a Marshal 1960 straight with 75’s; I expect that to also sound excellent with the JP2C.

 

[bandit2013]

I would have to say the Standard Mesa Recto 412 is epic. I have an older oversized one I stuffed some EVM12L Black labels. That is a lot of cab and the JP2C can push it with ease. WOW. I do not need that level of volume in the studio so I do not use them much. Once in a while I will roll them out. Last jam session we were running on the 412 cabs with the two Badlanders.

I would not say the 10 is a bad choice, just different. I sort of liked it but you lose some frequencies with the smaller cones. It is also more punchy, It was cool in a way. That 410 cab could grow on me. As for a 210, it is rated for 90W, it may work out. I would highly suggest trying it out and hear it for yourself. Then compare one of the 112 with the C90 and go from there. I will say this, they will not compare, different scope of sound. If you like it, then good. Lets just say it was an interesting experience.

https://boogieforum.com/threads/mesa-boogie-boogie-4x10-cab-with-the-jp2c.87516/

 

[paulg2uk]

I would have to say the Standard Mesa Recto 412 is epic. I have an older oversized one I stuffed some EVM12L Black labels. That is a lot of cab and the JP2C can push it with ease. WOW. I do not need that level of volume in the studio so I do not use them much. Once in a while I will roll them out. Last jam session we were running on the 412 cabs with the two Badlanders.

I would not say the 10 is a bad choice, just different. I sort of liked it but you lose some frequencies with the smaller cones. It is also more punchy, It was cool in a way. That 410 cab could grow on me. As for a 210, it is rated for 90W, it may work out. I would highly suggest trying it out and hear it for yourself. Then compare one of the 112 with the C90 and go from there. I will say this, they will not compare, different scope of sound. If you like it, then good. Lets just say it was an interesting experience.

https://boogieforum.com/threads/mesa-boogie-boogie-4x10-cab-with-the-jp2c.87516/

I'm definitely gonna try the 2x10 first and then if I like it fair enough, if I don't then I'll get the 1x12 with the c90 in. Gibson do offer a 30 days return over here in the UK like they do everywhere if I buy it from their website. I don't think many guitar stores over here carry that cab yet. I still have my JP2C on order so maybe the cabs might come in at the same time.

 

[mark0]

id stop facking about and get some 80s t75 in a marshall cab

 

[paulg2uk]

Hi guys, My JP arrived over the weekend in store and I collected it on sunday. Loving' it so far, I've been using the Fractal stuff for the last few years and it sort of dulled my senses if you like. I got back and plugged it into my rig at home and all I can say is WOW! Why the hell did I sell it in the first place lol. Nothing comes close to replacing that thump you get from a cab pushing air lol

The clean channel is awesome! So lush with some nice chorus from the Axe 3 or FM9. Just one thing I did notice when I was trying out the amp in store they had one of the 19" open back Boogie cabs with a C90 in which sounded excellent! I had to put the gain up a little more than I'm used to on Chanels 2 & 3, not a major problem. When I got home and plugged into my rig which has a couple of pedals in front going through an RJM Mini Effects gizmo, my compressor is always on and I'm going through my 2x12 closed back with V30's in. I did notice I didn't have to turn the gain up to the same position as I was playing in store.

It could have been my compressor being on and contributing to the extra gain or just the cab with the v30's in or both who knows. The only reason why I'm questioning this is that I plan on buying a 1x12 open back wide body cab and wondered if that would be the same gain wise? I guess I won't know till I try it.

Overall all though very happy.

 

[Eevil]

It could have been my compressor being on and contributing to the extra gain or just the cab with the v30's in or both who knows. The only reason why I'm questioning this is that I plan on buying a 1x12 open back wide body cab and wondered if that would be the same gain wise? I guess I won't know till I try it.

Overall all though very happy.

Don’t be a firing up my GAS again

The speakers do behave differently and have a different feel. Personally I’m not a fan of C90 as the feel is a bit stiff compared to V30 (I’ve tested many incarnations of both in different enclosures) and prefer the V30 tone and feel in 4x12

 

[paulg2uk]

Don’t be a firing up my GAS again

The speakers do behave differently and have a different feel. Personally I’m not a fan of C90 as the feel is a bit stiff compared to V30 (I’ve tested many incarnations of both in different enclosures) and prefer the V30 tone and feel in 4x12

Thanks for the reply, appreciate it! I had a C90 in a closed back 1x12 a few years ago, I bought it with my MKV 90w when I owned one and never had any issues with gain. The JP is different though. I think I might take a chance on the open back one and see how I get on. If I buy direct from Gibson over here in the UK I can always return it for a 1x12 with a v30 in.

The only thing that worries me is the wattage difference. That's why we have 2x12's I suppose.

 

[Eevil]

Thanks for the reply, appreciate it! I had a C90 in a closed back 1x12 a few years ago, I bought it with my MKV 90w when I owned one and never had any issues with gain. The JP is different though. I think I might take a chance on the open back one and see how I get on. If I buy direct from Gibson over here in the UK I can always return it for a 1x12 with a v30 in.

The only thing that worries me is the wattage difference. That's why we have 2x12's I suppose.

You could have the amp in 60W while using the 1x12 V30.. and yet are you playing with really high volume levels with the 1x12 as the sensitivity rating with single V30 is pretty high. Not recommendation but just a food for thought

 

[paulg2uk]

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You could have the amp in 60W while using the 1x12 V30.. and yet are you playing with really high volume levels with the 1x12 as the sensitivity rating with single V30 is pretty high. Not recommendation but just a food for thought

Yes of course I'm being stupid lol that is another option as well. And I remember the guy in the store said he had it set on the 60 watt mode instead if the full 90 watt mode so that could even be the reason as well because when I got home I switched it to 90 watts.

 

[DECEMBER]

The MC-90 does sound really good with these amps. I prefer the sound of my 2x12 MC-90 than my 2x12 V30. But in recording, I mix them both. The V30's add their extra mids that help cut thru a mix.

 

[paulg2uk]

The MC-90 does sound really good with these amps. I prefer the sound of my 2x12 MC-90 than my 2x12 V30. But in recording, I mix them both. The V30's add their extra mids that help cut thru a mix.

Interesting! I've never own a 2x12 with C90's in. I bet that is loud with 2 x 90 watt speakers in. I'm still interested in the 2x10's with cream backs in but the guys at Boogie reckon they might be a bit limiting when using more gain. I'll stick to the one C90 for now and see how I get on.

 

[DECEMBER]

Interesting! I've never own a 2x12 with C90's in. I bet that is loud with 2 x 90 watt speakers in. I'm still interested in the 2x10's with cream backs in but the guys at Boogie reckon they might be a bit limiting when using more gain. I'll stick to the one C90 for now and see how I get on.

I wish I had a 3x12 cab, with the middle speaker higher than the other two, in a triangle shape. I run a stereo wet/dry/wet rig, so a 3-speaker cab would be perfect. If had tools & a garage, I'd make one.
But I'm stuck with these two 2x12's. I repurposed an old Line 6 Flextone III XL 2x12 stereo modeling amp to be an open-back cab for the MC-90's. These are on top running the stereo FX returns.
On the bottom is the center dry channel thru a Johnson 2x12 w/V30's. It can be closed-back, but I keep the back off because it sounds too boxy with it on. Probably because I can't push them too loud because it's an apartment. So I made IRs of all my speakers, got 3 load boxes, and recreated the w/d/w rig in the DAW with IRs. It's sounding really good, my favorite direct sound I've ever used. Problem is that reactive load technology hasn't gotten very good yet... The slave out -> IRs sounds much better when a speaker is still connected as the load, instead of the internal dummy loads in the boxes. The mids disappear and the sound gets flat with the reactive loads vs the speakers.

 

[paulg2uk]

Got my 1x12 open back on the way from Gibson, should be here early next week. I might end up selling the 2x12 as it's just way too loud and takes up a lot of space. Either that or I'll get a Captor X or something to attenuate it just for use at home. I setup my FM9 with midi and connected it all up via the 4CM last night and it all works great! Very seamless!

I'm probably gonna get an RJM MEG for my front end pedals just so I can switch them in out when needed. I have my RJM Full English running into the FM9 at the moment controlled by midi and it sounds really good. No noise or ground loops whatsoever. I'm loving it!

 

[paulg2uk]

1x12 arrived yesterday! I must say I'm really impressed with the C90 and it's been a while since I've owned one. Like the sound of the open back cab too, sounds fantastic! I think I'll sell my 2x12, there's no point keeping it around.

I'm Interested to see what's gonna happen with Boogie with the rumours going round at the moment.

I get the feeling Randy was not fired and is retiring and really hope Doug will be taking over. Sounds like there might be a few people selling their Boogie stuff to take advantage of the prices going up. I have a Triaxis I'm trying to sell at the moment which I thought was a good price over here in the UK but nobody seems to want it at the moment. Oh well time will tell I suppose.

 

[Eevil]

1x12 arrived yesterday! I must say I'm really impressed with the C90 and it's been a while since I've owned one. Like the sound of the open back cab too, sounds fantastic! I think I'll sell my 2x12, there's no point keeping it around.

The idea of 1x12 intrigues me from time to time but no space for any extra cabs

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