Mesa Triaxis and Boss GT-8

[guitar_gazza]

I'm wondering if anyone can help me here. I have seen a similar post but not the same problem.

I have Mesa Triaxis which I'm using with a GT-8 and a Mesa Mark III.

Set up is:
Gtr > Triaxis
Triaxis FX send > GT8 input
GT8 output > Triaxis FX return
Triaxis output . FX return of Mesa Mark III 1X12 combo

I know the Mesa 2:90 is ideal but that is just too powerful for what I do.

I only use the GT8 for ambient FX such as chorus, reverb, delay, phaser etc. I do not use any amp models or speaker simulators or distortion pedals or wah from the GT8.

This setup sounds great for clean sounds, just killer clean sounds, but when I use the Triaxis for overdriven sounds on any of the modes I get a strange attack when I first hit the note. Some crunch sounds are also very good. Just wondering if I have a gain structure problem. I keep the Master of the Triaxis quite low so as not to overload the input of the GT8.

Can anyone please help me with this. Any help appreciated.

Cheers

 

[ando]

Have you tried altering the output of your GT8? It might be overloading the FX return on the TRI.

Also, do you have the amp sims turned off on your GT8 patches? You just want pure effects turned on when using it with the TRI - no cab or amp sims.

 

[Triaxstasy]

I would hook it up with the "4-cable-method":
Gtr > GT8
GT8 Send > TA in
TA Loop send > GT8 Return
GT8 Out (L/R) > TA Loop Return (A/B)

With this way, you can put front end FX (Flanger, Phaser, Comp, OD/Dist Stomps, Wah) in front of the TA (where they belong) and Modulation, Delay, Reverb in the TA´s loop.
You only have to carefully match the line levels. Should work like a charm this way

 

[ryjan]

Does it have the same strange attack with the loop on the tri turned off or just when using effects? I ran my triaxis with a GT-3 in the loop. The boss also doubled as my MIDI pedal also.

 

[guitar_gazza]

Thanks, yes I have all simulators and preamps turned off on the GT8. I only use the GT8 for chorus, delay, reverb etc. I'm also using the GT8 as a midi controller for the Triaxis, just for changing patches on the Triaxis and that obviously changes the patch on the GT8 as well. I've got the patches on both the Triaxis and GT8 matched up to the sound combination I want.

You could be right, I may be overloading the Triaxis FX return. I'm running the GT8 patch master level on 200 which is full level. I'll try bringing that back a bit, but I'm hoping I won't lose any balls in the sound by doing that. Thanks again for your help, I'll let you know how it turns out. Regards

 

[guitar_gazza]

I would hook it up with the "4-cable-method":
Gtr > GT8
GT8 Send > TA in
TA Loop send > GT8 Return
GT8 Out (L/R) > TA Loop Return (A/B)

With this way, you can put front end FX (Flanger, Phaser, Comp, OD/Dist Stomps, Wah) in front of the TA (where they belong) and Modulation, Delay, Reverb in the TA´s loop.
You only have to carefully match the line levels. Should work like a charm this way

Thanks, I did try that method but I think it sounds better going straight into the TRI.

 

[guitar_gazza]

Have you tried altering the output of your GT8? It might be overloading the FX return on the TRI.

Also, do you have the amp sims turned off on your GT8 patches? You just want pure effects turned on when using it with the TRI - no cab or amp sims.

Thanks, Yes I have all simulators and preamps on the GT8 turned off. I think you may be right I may be overloading the TRI FX return. I'll give that a go.

 

[guitar_gazza]

I would hook it up with the "4-cable-method":
Gtr > GT8
GT8 Send > TA in
TA Loop send > GT8 Return
GT8 Out (L/R) > TA Loop Return (A/B)

With this way, you can put front end FX (Flanger, Phaser, Comp, OD/Dist Stomps, Wah) in front of the TA (where they belong) and Modulation, Delay, Reverb in the TA´s loop.
You only have to carefully match the line levels. Should work like a charm this way

I did try the 4 cable method but didn't like the sound as much. I thought the only effect that needed to be before the TRI was wah, and I have a Jim Dunlop wah if I need it. I don't use the one in the GT8.

Is the only way to match the line levels by A/B each link in the chain? That's the only way I can think of. I'm convinced that the problem is due to level matching.

 

[guitar_gazza]

Have you tried altering the output of your GT8? It might be overloading the FX return on the TRI.

Also, do you have the amp sims turned off on your GT8 patches? You just want pure effects turned on when using it with the TRI - no cab or amp sims.

Thanks for your suggestion but I tried reducing the master output level of the GT8 to almost nothing and it is still doing the same thing. A really annoying attack when I pick a little hard.

I really thought that would fix it. Any other suggestions?

 

[guitar_gazza]

Does it have the same strange attack with the loop on the tri turned off or just when using effects? I ran my triaxis with a GT-3 in the loop. The boss also doubled as my MIDI pedal also.

It seems to be still making the noise with the FX loop bypassed. I don't think my guitar has particularly hot pickups so the input to the TRI shouldn't be overloading. I've also got the master of the Mark III power amp very low. I've also tried reducing the master of the TRI just in case that was overloading the input of the GT8 but no luck.

 

[guitar_gazza]

Have you tried altering the output of your GT8? It might be overloading the FX return on the TRI.

Also, do you have the amp sims turned off on your GT8 patches? You just want pure effects turned on when using it with the TRI - no cab or amp sims.

Thanks for your suggestion but I tried reducing the master output level of the GT8 to almost nothing and it is still doing the same thing. A really annoying attack when I pick a little hard.

I have just discovered a serious problem with the Mark III that I am using for a power amp. I'll have it checked on Wednesday and hope that was the cause of the problem.

 

[guitar_gazza]

Have you tried altering the output of your GT8? It might be overloading the FX return on the TRI.

Also, do you have the amp sims turned off on your GT8 patches? You just want pure effects turned on when using it with the TRI - no cab or amp sims.

Thanks for your suggestion but I tried reducing the master output level of the GT8 to almost nothing and it is still doing the same thing. A really annoying attack when I pick a little hard.

I have just discovered a serious problem with the Mark III that I am using for a power amp. I'll have it checked on Wednesday and hope that was the cause of the problem.

I had the Mark III checked and the whole problem seems to have been a blown power valve. I have seen a lot of problems with valves but never seen one do what this one was doing...I guess we are always learning!! Thanks for all your help. Cheers