mesadude
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Points taken!
MeZa 8)
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Mark V and effect units
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lesterpaul
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works for me as well....it is more complicated than a simple pedalboard, and I do miss that simplicity, but I have the time/space to use/figure out-arent balanced cables called for if the runs are over a certain distance?i separated my unit and put in rack(that way it is close to all hookups) I use a cheapo Furman-nothing more than a rack multi-outlet-no real amp gizmo or hum eliminator
-I do go into loop one to avoid the first dsp and I noticed improvement in base guitar tone/signal-just sounds better-is that what is referred to as 4 cable?
-I do go into loop one to avoid the first dsp and I noticed improvement in base guitar tone/signal-just sounds better-is that what is referred to as 4 cable?
mesadude
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lesterpaul said:
Yep. 4-cable is done using the in/out jacks, plus the 'insert' in/out jacks on the G-system, to connect from guitar to G-system, and from/to G-system to amp in jack and both loop jacks.
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Iconoclysm
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Mark Fore said:
It's really only an issue in racks - and yeah, it sure can be a pain in the *** in a rack.
After reading the rest of your posts, I can tell you've been there with this thing. I've done the 6 cable method...but dropping to the 4 cable method got rid of my issues.
Tom Anderson Hollow T Classic
Vox Wah, Tubescreamer, Zendrive, Keeley 2 nob compression, Carbon Copy analog delay (maybe a phase 90, but not often at all).
Mark V with a Leslie 16 speaker Cab for ambiance.
Someone was concerned that the Mark series amps are only good for Metal. I thought that was funny...
I only play 70's rock, and I don't think I could even get a "metal" tone if I wanted.
The Clean setting on channel 1 with one or both of the OD's sounds really nice...Zendrive sounds really sweet anyway.
Mark I with one or both (or no) OD's starts to get going.
Mark IIC+ with one or both (or no) OD's get's really fun.
Extreme with both OD's and the gain cranked is just crazy...in a good way
Vox Wah, Tubescreamer, Zendrive, Keeley 2 nob compression, Carbon Copy analog delay (maybe a phase 90, but not often at all).
Mark V with a Leslie 16 speaker Cab for ambiance.
Someone was concerned that the Mark series amps are only good for Metal. I thought that was funny...
I only play 70's rock, and I don't think I could even get a "metal" tone if I wanted.
The Clean setting on channel 1 with one or both of the OD's sounds really nice...Zendrive sounds really sweet anyway.
Mark I with one or both (or no) OD's starts to get going.
Mark IIC+ with one or both (or no) OD's get's really fun.
Extreme with both OD's and the gain cranked is just crazy...in a good way
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Hmm.. thought I posted to this thread earlier, but I can't seem to find it.
As mesadude posted earlier, stacking overdrives can work great. My tool of choice are a Blackstone MSv3 into the Keeley Flexi 4x2 TS-9DX. These are two of the most incredible ODs I've ever heard, and I've heard a bunch.
The TS is for the liquid, and the blackstone gets more of a mellow marshally tone - but it can be scooped. Other pedals that I've held on too - mostly just because of their uniqueness - Fulltone Distortion Pro, MXR Double Shot, and... just for chuckles, an Ibanez SM-7.
Part of my interest in the Mark V though is ditching more pedals. 10 years ago when I bought the Mark IV I slowly discovered I just couldn't do that with - the shared controls on channels 1 & 2 were just too limiting. I'm hoping that I can get by with just the TC Nova System in the loop for mods and delays. The Nova is a simply amazing box...
We'll see tomorrow when it gets here....
Dave
As mesadude posted earlier, stacking overdrives can work great. My tool of choice are a Blackstone MSv3 into the Keeley Flexi 4x2 TS-9DX. These are two of the most incredible ODs I've ever heard, and I've heard a bunch.
The TS is for the liquid, and the blackstone gets more of a mellow marshally tone - but it can be scooped. Other pedals that I've held on too - mostly just because of their uniqueness - Fulltone Distortion Pro, MXR Double Shot, and... just for chuckles, an Ibanez SM-7.
Part of my interest in the Mark V though is ditching more pedals. 10 years ago when I bought the Mark IV I slowly discovered I just couldn't do that with - the shared controls on channels 1 & 2 were just too limiting. I'm hoping that I can get by with just the TC Nova System in the loop for mods and delays. The Nova is a simply amazing box...
We'll see tomorrow when it gets here....
Dave
Sebby123
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Hey man,
Im curouis if you have ever tried your G system with your mark IV and how transparent it was?
Im curouis if you have ever tried your G system with your mark IV and how transparent it was?
Ok concerning the Gsystem what i do is i have it in the loop. I dont use the first DSP as well but the difference is i go into the insert return directly. that way yea the Gsystem IS transparent but u just need to understand it and set up the levels properly.
What frustrates me about the Gsystem however is that its a mono in stereo out not a stereo in and out which is not that good the way i have things set up.
Also it doesnt have many advanced midi capabilities (which couldve been updated easily). So with all the stuff i am gonna be using and the switching system id rather get a good midi controller and i dont se ethe use of the gsystem anymore so im gonna let it go soon
I have been thinking about goingthe eventide route, the stompbox sound great and they give you more routing options like having one through a line mixer, one in the loop (switchable out of the path) and one in the front. But here what i have to make sure is that not all three of them will be placed in the loop. In that case it would be better to get a rack because then i would have to go through 3 converters from the stompboxes (actually probably 2 at once) and even though theyre good quality in the eventide..
I still have to think about that. Phyrexia you mentionned having a modfactor in front of the amp. Thats usually where modulation effects sound better, but oddly i keep reading reviews and hearing that it is best placed in the loop (even from eventide i think) I donno
What frustrates me about the Gsystem however is that its a mono in stereo out not a stereo in and out which is not that good the way i have things set up.
Also it doesnt have many advanced midi capabilities (which couldve been updated easily). So with all the stuff i am gonna be using and the switching system id rather get a good midi controller and i dont se ethe use of the gsystem anymore so im gonna let it go soon
I have been thinking about goingthe eventide route, the stompbox sound great and they give you more routing options like having one through a line mixer, one in the loop (switchable out of the path) and one in the front. But here what i have to make sure is that not all three of them will be placed in the loop. In that case it would be better to get a rack because then i would have to go through 3 converters from the stompboxes (actually probably 2 at once) and even though theyre good quality in the eventide..
I still have to think about that. Phyrexia you mentionned having a modfactor in front of the amp. Thats usually where modulation effects sound better, but oddly i keep reading reviews and hearing that it is best placed in the loop (even from eventide i think) I donno
Im using the TC G major 2 with the MK V Live and it sounds awsome. It is made for gutarist who wants effects.
G major 2 435.00 rocktron midi mate controler $ 225.00 ( includes midi caple and power supply)
Only 2 cords on stage to trip over. 1 for the MK V foot pedal and 1 for the midi mate controller .
Truley a dream come true
wnlively
G major 2 435.00 rocktron midi mate controler $ 225.00 ( includes midi caple and power supply)
Only 2 cords on stage to trip over. 1 for the MK V foot pedal and 1 for the midi mate controller .
Truley a dream come true
wnlively
Uncle Muscles
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RMC1 wah >TC Nova System>M5
You can get the Amp Wizard Mini and do all your midi channel switching on the Nova system and the amps' channels change with the patches you program - BUT they don't have the proper cable for the Mk5 yet. It is coming soon. This will eliminate the need for the Mk5 foot controller.
You can get the Amp Wizard Mini and do all your midi channel switching on the Nova system and the amps' channels change with the patches you program - BUT they don't have the proper cable for the Mk5 yet. It is coming soon. This will eliminate the need for the Mk5 foot controller.
Uncle Muscles
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That's is **** good news!
Mungo Zen
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rispsira
I have been playing around with my ModFactor and TimeFactor the last week in different config's with the MkV. The TimeFactor pretty much stays in the loop, but the ModFactor can be placed before the Amp, or in the loop, for different feels. I personally prefer it in the loop for right now, but depending what you are playing and how present you want the effect, placing it in front may be ideal.
I would suggest going with the Eventide Pedals over the Rack for a few reasons. I like the fact I can swap out positions for the effects in the chain from my guitar to the speakers. I also like being able to tweak 2 effects manually to balance say a Chorus and a Delay. Lastly, if I decide I don't want part of the system, I can sell it off and not feel like I wasted a large investment in a rack system for just one effect.
Those reasons are for me, you might have other stuff you want to take into account. The best feature of these foot pedals is they allow MIDI programming so when I get a floor controller (looking at Axxess) I can actually program channels in the Eventide pedals and assign them presets on the floorboard.
I have been playing around with my ModFactor and TimeFactor the last week in different config's with the MkV. The TimeFactor pretty much stays in the loop, but the ModFactor can be placed before the Amp, or in the loop, for different feels. I personally prefer it in the loop for right now, but depending what you are playing and how present you want the effect, placing it in front may be ideal.
I would suggest going with the Eventide Pedals over the Rack for a few reasons. I like the fact I can swap out positions for the effects in the chain from my guitar to the speakers. I also like being able to tweak 2 effects manually to balance say a Chorus and a Delay. Lastly, if I decide I don't want part of the system, I can sell it off and not feel like I wasted a large investment in a rack system for just one effect.
Those reasons are for me, you might have other stuff you want to take into account. The best feature of these foot pedals is they allow MIDI programming so when I get a floor controller (looking at Axxess) I can actually program channels in the Eventide pedals and assign them presets on the floorboard.
I just bought a Nova Delay and swapped out my T-Rex Replica in the loop. Holy mother of all that is crunchy!! That Nova delay sounds incredible through the loop! I added a bit of modulation to the repeats and now I don't need a chorus since I was only using my chorus for slight tone coloring. Nova... highly reco'd.
Mungo Zen said:
Thanks for the reply mungo zen!! im having a lot of difficulty choosing at the moment and your opinion helps! could you be a bit more specific as to how you perceive the sonic difference between the modfactor in the loop or in front??
Also arent u bothered if, for say a preset in which you want both modulation and delay, you have to go through two AD/DA's instead of one?
And finally im not sure i understand what you mean when you say you like to tweak 2 effects manually to balance say a Chorus and a Delay? cant that be done with a rack effect like the eclipse?
I am looking at the Axess too!! but i dont think they are filling orders at the moment
Mungo Zen
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rispsira said:
Hmm, why type it, when I can just whip up some MP3's? The following are not the most stellar recordings, but they illustrate identical settings with the ModFactor in front of the amp and within the effects loop.
Both MP3's are 4 samples of the same riff first clean, then with presets from the ModFactor. Chorus, Phaser and Flanger found using presets 1.1, 2.1 and 4.1 respectively on the Mod Factor. I want to stress, all I changed was the location from Guitar -> ModFactor -> MkV -> Cabinet to Guitar -> MkV -> ModFactor in Loop -> Cabinet. No settings were changed.
In Front of MkV
In MkV FX Loop
I apologize for the slight breakup, I swapped guitars right before recording and didn't pull the gain down far enough as I went to a hotter pickup. Hopefully this helps illustrate the difference for you though.
Not really. I am still relatively new to this quality of effects unit, but generally I have been happy with the end result as the Eventide are very clear on the tone.
Most of the floor or rack units I have seen, you tweak one effect, then scroll to the next effect, then back and forth. I like the ability to "two hand" these effects at the same time. Likewise all the knobs to adjust all the parameters are right there to mess with, which I like, no hidden settings or scrolling menus. That is just a personal preference, and might be due to the fact that I am still learning about creating the sounds I want with these tools.
I might try and put together another sample at higher gain, but, its the weekend and stupidity calls.
Mungo Zen
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kiff said:
Yeah I realized I uploaded the wrong file right as I was leaving (thanks to showing a friend how great I am....) anyway its fixed now.
Man are you kidding me!!! thank you so much!! that must be the best help anyone can give especially for me since where i live i dont find any of those products and have to order them from abroad (cant try anything in other words)
I am downloading them now. will listen and then sleep; its 6 am my time and yes studpidity called...
Again Thank you!!
I am downloading them now. will listen and then sleep; its 6 am my time and yes studpidity called...
Again Thank you!!
Supreeth
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Mark Fore said:
Wow. I have the T-rex replica and think it is hands down the best delay I've ever played! It sounds fantabulous in the loop of my Mark V. I like the idea of cutting down on a chorus pedal since I too use it only for mild coloration. Have you noticed any tone suck on the Nova? I read some HC reviews that the Nova delay made some guy's $2000+ tube amp sound like a Line 6, but I'm guessing that reviewer got a bad unit.
Hmmm looks like another pedal experiment is coming up ...sigh
