How Long Before the Mark V b?

[CudBucket]

This amp has been in the design phase for five years or so Much longer than some of the other amps Mesa has built. I think Randy took as much time as he wanted and needed. I talked to my rep today and he said there were some new ideas and amps on the burner, but no V update.

That doesn't mean much. They denied they were even thinking about the Mark V all the while is was being built.

 

[theroan]

That's not true, RS said this in 02' or 03'

WILL THERE EVER BE A MARK V?

“Yes, there will probably be a Mark V… but not for a long time. And it will probably sound just like the Mark IV but with a simpler control layout. It’s not next on my palette because the Mark IV is still going strong after 12 or 13 years. But who knows? By the time that bad boy comes around, anything could happen!”

I really doubt there will be a revision anytime soon. If the biggest issue with the amp is a gripe about one mode on one channel (ie IIC
+), it won't happen.

 

[phyrexia]

That doesn't mean much. They denied they were even thinking about the Mark V all the while is was being built.

No ****, nobody talks the product they can't sell when they could talk about the product they can. I sold three Mark IVs at work in the last year before they were discontinued. Why would Mesa start talking about the Mark V when IVs were still selling? Makes no sense.

The Express amps haven't been revised, the F amps never were. LSSes haven't been, all the Electradynes are modded for free, maybe they're trying to move away from the revisionist mindset? :lol: :mrgreen:

I do think Mesa is a company that's not afraid to change something to make a product better, though. Obviously :wink:

 

[theroan]

What does the Electra Dyne mod do?

 

[phyrexia]

It is a gain cut switch and a clean channel master volume. Together, you can balance the volume levels of the three modes when the preamp volume on the amp is at a more extreme level.

 

[JOEY B.]

I really doubt there will be a revision anytime soon. If the biggest issue with the amp is a gripe about one mode on one channel (ie IIC
+), it won't happen.

There's an easy fix for the gripe, that might add $1.50 to the cost of the MkV. Why would they not do it? :wink:

 

[phyrexia]

'cause then IIC+ and IV mode would sound identical? :lol:

 

[JOEY B.]

'cause then IIC+ and IV mode would sound identical? :lol:

With a "Deep" switch on Channel 3 ?? :wink:

 

[phyrexia]

I might void my warranty honestly and just install a deep switch. I need to beat on her a couple more months. Sometimes I think I don't need it. Been playing the 25.5" scale guitar and the bass is firmer, as expected. And I've played my silverburst through it, and it's different than the elitist in the lower frequencies and I think I like it (so I need to pay that thing off ha)

Is Pull Fat on a Mark IV the same as Pull Deep on a III?

 

[bpm91]

Is Pull Fat on a Mark IV the same as Pull Deep on a III?

Hell no. Pull Fat just added a thicker mid-range. Pull Deep added so much more dimension to your tone. It made a 1x12 combo sound like a 4x12. Pull Deep is something I wish was on every Mark.

 

[CudBucket]

That's not true, RS said this in 02' or 03'

WILL THERE EVER BE A MARK V?

“Yes, there will probably be a Mark V… but not for a long time. And it will probably sound just like the Mark IV but with a simpler control layout. It’s not next on my palette because the Mark IV is still going strong after 12 or 13 years. But who knows? By the time that bad boy comes around, anything could happen!”

I really doubt there will be a revision anytime soon. If the biggest issue with the amp is a gripe about one mode on one channel (ie IIC
+), it won't happen.

C'mon man. I was at the Timmons clinic here in NYC and their rep was there and said to my face, that there were no plans for a Mark V at the time. And so I asked "Well why then is there a picture of Randall working on a Chassis clearly labeled Mark V"? So the rep asks: "Oh really? Where?" To which I reply: "On the wall in the other room" (We were at Rudy's in Manhattan and they had just opened a MONSTER Mesa Only show room. Randall had a "Mesa Manahattan" wall logo made especially for Rudy along with a bunch of "Mesa Manhattan" T shirts to give away. Along with all that, he sent Rudy a framed poster sized print of him working on the Mark V. The rep apparently didn't know this)

So the rep says "Well that could have been a prototype". I asked "Does Randall always have finished face plates and labels for just a proto?"

The point is, they denied the very existence of the thing and it was already finished. BTW, this clinic was about 6 months before they announced the V officially.

Believe me, there will be a revision.

 

[CudBucket]

The Express amps haven't been revised, the F amps never were. LSSes haven't been, all the Electradynes are modded for free, maybe they're trying to move away from the revisionist mindset? :lol: :mrgreen:

Right. But every Mark has been revised. The Road King has been revised (and not just from I to II. The II was revised to II Ver. 2 as well).

 

[theroan]

That's not true, RS said this in 02' or 03'

WILL THERE EVER BE A MARK V?

“Yes, there will probably be a Mark V… but not for a long time. And it will probably sound just like the Mark IV but with a simpler control layout. It’s not next on my palette because the Mark IV is still going strong after 12 or 13 years. But who knows? By the time that bad boy comes around, anything could happen!”

I really doubt there will be a revision anytime soon. If the biggest issue with the amp is a gripe about one mode on one channel (ie IIC
+), it won't happen.

C'mon man. I was at the Timmons clinic here in NYC and their rep was there and said to my face, that there were no plans for a Mark V at the time. And so I asked "Well why then is there a picture of Randall working on a Chassis clearly labeled Mark V"? So the rep asks: "Oh really? Where?" To which I reply: "On the wall in the other room" (We were at Rudy's in Manhattan and they had just opened a MONSTER Mesa Only show room. Randall had a "Mesa Manahattan" wall logo made especially for Rudy along with a bunch of "Mesa Manhattan" T shirts to give away. Along with all that, he sent Rudy a framed poster sized print of him working on the Mark V. The rep apparently didn't know this)

So the rep says "Well that could have been a prototype". I asked "Does Randall always have finished face plates and labels for just a proto?"

The point is, they denied the very existence of the thing and it was already finished. BTW, this clinic was about 6 months before they announced the V officially.

Believe me, there will be a revision.

But he's not denying the Mark V in that interview, which was my point.

 

[CudBucket]

But he's not denying the Mark V in that interview, which was my point.

I wasn't clear. He absolutely denied it. He said there were currently no plans for one. As for the prototype, he said they do many so it could have been one but he said clearly that there was no Mark V in the works. But in fact, it had to have been completed.

 

[dodger916]

The Express amps haven't been revised, the F amps never were. LSSes haven't been, all the Electradynes are modded for free, maybe they're trying to move away from the revisionist mindset? :lol: :mrgreen:

Right. But every Mark has been revised. The Road King has been revised (and not just from I to II. The II was revised to II Ver. 2 as well).

Lonestars Classics were revised (3rd wattage option), and isn't there a stage II Stiletto? How many Dual Rec revs are there...A through F or G? Didn't the F series morph into the Express series? I think it's great that Mesa continuously seeks to improve their products.

 

[mejoshee]

The Express amps haven't been revised, the F amps never were. LSSes haven't been, all the Electradynes are modded for free, maybe they're trying to move away from the revisionist mindset? :lol: :mrgreen:

Right. But every Mark has been revised. The Road King has been revised (and not just from I to II. The II was revised to II Ver. 2 as well).

Lonestars Classics were revised (3rd wattage option), and isn't there a stage II Stiletto? How many Dual Rec revs are there...A through F or G? Didn't the F series morph into the Express series? I think it's great that Mesa continuously seeks to improve their products.

yeah, improvement helps you to sell more products! that's where engineering legitimately interfaces with business.

i've been thinking though, do mesa employees actually read discussions/forums talking about what we'd like to see and take it to heart? i mean, i hope rs doesn't stay up late at night trolling, but i do wonder if he'd ever get any of those ideas for improvements implemented in a new amp or even a revision.

 

[ryjan]

Well, you have to give your customers what they want, right. How arrogant would you have to be to make an amp and have every customer say "channel 2 is too dark" and tell them "No it isnt, thats how I made it to sound". Or he could revise it, and re-release it, and make everyone happy. I'd rether give my customers what they want.

 

[CudBucket]

Well, you have to give your customers what they want, right.

I have to say I really think Randall tried to do that with the Mark V. The biggest gripe IMO, that people have with the Mark IV is that the R2 could be better. The Mark V delivers that. And I think Randall did his best to satisfy those who want a IIC+ revision.

 

[theroan]

Well, you have to give your customers what they want, right. How arrogant would you have to be to make an amp and have every customer say "channel 2 is too dark" and tell them "No it isnt, thats how I made it to sound". Or he could revise it, and re-release it, and make everyone happy. I'd rether give my customers what they want.

It's funny because my good friend has an Orange Rockerverb 50 and he emailed them asking how to make the gain channel tighter.

They responded with "It's good enough for Prince and Slipknot."

 

[ryjan]

It's funny because my good friend has an Orange Rockerverb 50 and he emailed them asking how to make the gain channel tighter.

They responded with "It's good enough for Prince and Slipknot."

Wow, thats a horrible thing to tell a customer. Mr. Smith has the rep of listening to peoples likes and dislikes and making revisions based on what his customers like.