Avatar 4x12 or 2x12 to go with my Cab?

[dandan]

I'm going to order an Avatar cabinet with Celestion g12h30's.

There is something I like about the 2x12.

I think its cause it's not that big, easier to haul around and can have it right next to my marshall cabinet or stack it below. I really like how they look too.

Although im not a lazy *** who is un-willing to haul around 2 4x12's.

I don't know if I should just get a 2x12 to go along with my current Marshall 4x12 loaded with greenbacks.

or

Just get another 4x12 so I can have 4greenbacks & 4 g12h30's combination going?

If i do order a 2x12 will it be heard and not over powered by the 4 green backs?

I'm using a Mark IIIC+ head

 

[redmax61]

Hey DanDan,

Have you considered getting a cab with a combination of speakers in it? I'm pretty sure Dave will do that for you. He has a LOT of customers out there who are doing the same thing.

 

[jbird]

Mesa 4/12 cabs are stereo, you could run both heads into one Mesa cab! :idea:

 

[Surfcaster]

I'm going to order an Avatar cabinet with Celestion g12h30's.

There is something I like about the 2x12.

I think its cause it's not that big, easier to haul around and can have it right next to my marshall cabinet or stack it below. I really like how they look too.

Although im not a lazy *** who is un-willing to haul around 2 4x12's.

I don't know if I should just get a 2x12 to go along with my current Marshall 4x12 loaded with greenbacks.

or

Just get another 4x12 so I can have 4greenbacks & 4 g12h30's combination going?

If i do order a 2x12 will it be heard and not over powered by the 4 green backs?

I'm using a Mark IIIC+ head

First of all, I AM too lazy to haul around 2 4x12s, in fact, I'm too lazy to haul around a single 4x12...a 2x12 is even pushing it for me!! I must be getting old, but after 5 hours of carrying gear, setting up, playing 3 sets and tearing down, I don't have much energy left!! My 50lb F50 1x12 even seems to heavy at that point!!

As far as the 4x12 Greenbacks overpowering a 2x12 G12H30, I doubt it. For one thing, a G12H30 has a sensetivity of 100 db to the Greenback's sensitivity of 98db (a difference of 3db translates to twice as loud), so I think they'll be heard.

One popular combination that Dave at Avatar offers is a G12H30 and a V30 together in a 2x12 cab. I built my own 2x12 cab and put the V30 I already had in it with one of Dave's Hellatone 30s (a broken in G12H30). Honestly, I don't care for the G12H30 by itself, (especially with my F50, the G12H30 has a lot of highs and it accentuates the fizzy top end of the F50, and not in a good way IMHO, works better with my custom-built plexi style tube amp, though I still prefer the V30 with that, too). But in combination with the V30 it sounds great...sort of fills out the bottom end and the highs, but not too much.

 

[redmax61]

As far as the 4x12 Greenbacks overpowering a 2x12 G12H30, I doubt it. For one thing, a G12H30 has a sensetivity of 100 db to the Greenback's sensitivity of 98db (a difference of 3db translates to twice as loud), so I think they'll be heard.

Don't let the difference in sensitivity stop you from experimenting. I thought the same thing when I went to combine the Greenbacks with the Vintage 30's, but it's not the case at all. They actually balance very well.

 

[cnumb44]

If any of you have tried it, how does the V30/G12H30 combo compare to the BLack Shadow (C90) speakers?

 

[Brewski]

I have an Avatar open 2x12 with the Vintage 30/G12H30 combination. The two balance each other. Also, We combared a friend's LSS with the stock Black Shadow in his combo and a seperate single 1x12 cab with a Vintage 30, they sound very close from what we heard. Of course that's only what we heard by ear, and frequencies were not scientifically measured. I think that the Vintage 30 will add a bit of an edge (a little more harsh or throaty as compared to a Black Shadow) The G12H30 and the Black Shadow will mellow the sound of a Vintage 30 if they're played in combination.

I really like my cab for that reason. You get a broader spectrum of sound between lows and highs. Just my opinion.