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Pageburst

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I having trouble choosing between a LSS and a 5:25 to go along with my LSC.

First let me say that the Lonestars are my favorite amps. Incredibly versatile for rock n blues -fantastic sounding amps. Now my breif audtition with the Express series also left me very impressed. However, I do feel it's tough to determine an amps true tone untill you've lived with it for a bit.

That's why I'd like to get comments on these amps from people who have used them both: (5:25 and LSS)

Right now I am leaning toward the 5:25 only because it appears it might be more versatile with those higher gain "burn" settings. Both have that beauiful EL84 sparkle.
 
I've spent over a month with the 5:25, but I haven't spent comparable time on the LSC.

I haven't suffered "buyer's remorse" with the 5:25, though ...
 
Thanks Steve

Glad to hear you like your 5:25.

I too like the 5:25 and was less happy with the 5:50 tone but I do prefer a 12" speaker. I am thinking though that the 5:25 and 5:50 should be very similar sonically with identical tone stacks and preamp sections as they are essentially the same amp with the exception of the output tubes/transformer and the larger speaker/cabnet of the 5:50.

Since I already have an LSC an EL84 flavor makes sense but then again I could get yellow jackets for the 5:50 heck I could get yellow jackets for the LSC. But the slightly higher gain voicing of the Express series imo would be nice for a little added variety to my LSC. I do like the looks of the LSS though. Ah it's a hard choice. Thanks fot the comments and keep em coming
 
I too like the 5:25 and was less happy with the 5:50 tone but I do prefer a 12" speaker.

Me too. I figure if it becomes an issue, I could always hook it up to an extension cab. For home playing & friendly jams, the 10" on the 5:25 holds its own.

In the mean time, the big tone for the small & portable size, coupled with the versatility (from clean to NWOBHM tones) & 5/25 Watt switching made it the amp for me.

Since you asked, here are some more comments I have re: the amp. It may just confirm things you already know, but who knows?

I use the 5:25 through a budget guitar (Yamaha Pacifica 112 fat strat) because I decided to upgrade to a nicer amp prior to upgrading my guitar. I know it is really no contest, but I'm still amazed at the (wholly positive) differences between playing the Express and the Vox DA15 digital modeller it replaced -- it is so much more dynamic and articulate, yet warm.

I use the cleans for old Beatles tunes. Low-gain settings on the crunch channel can yield a Voxy vintage crunch. The 5W Class A setting works particularly well for both of these uses. The spring reverb is also really nice.

Higher gain settings on the crunch channel get you rock & hard rock crunch tones, up to moderate-gain metal rhythm tones. I haven't used the blues setting much, but it does sound nice. I use the burn setting on channel two a lot for NWOBHM tones. The low end is tighter on the 25W class a/b setting.

The eq & the contour control is very powerful, where small adjustments make a big difference in tone. The ability to eq the pre-amp and dial in the contour eq later is useful -- I often do not scoop the mids on the pre-amp, but wait to eq them out with the contour function later in the signal chain.

Admittedly, I've spent the last month twiddling knobs & getting acquainted with the amp more than proper practicing. :roll: The last week I dialed in my tones with a different trick I read about on-line: set your Master Volume to the level you want, then dial in gain & treble to taste. Then dial in the rest. This method taught me some counter-intuitive settings that I otherwise wouldn't have considered, in which I overdrove the power amp a bit with low gain settings at apartment volumes. This worked well on channel 1, but channel 2 was too loud for me to do it in the apartment.

I haven't tried any effects with the amp yet, but would be interested in what other 5:25 owners have tried.

I do find it interesting how Mesa came to the number of "25" for the higher wattage setting. The two EL84 tubes it uses typically produce ~15W of power, but the "dyna-watt" circuitry of the 5:25 provides a burst of clean headroom on the attack to make it much louder than a typical 2xEL84 amp. The dyna-watt kicks in on the 25W setting only. I don't really notice it outside of the louder volume on the smaller amp. Also, the switch on the back used to flip between the 5 & 25 Watt settings reads "5W" & "Dyna Watt 30W" watts, rather than 5 & 25.

If you know what you are getting into with this amp, I don't think you will be disappointed. It is a great, little, portable, loud, versatile, moderate-gain-for-Mesa amp.
 
Pageburst said:
I having trouble choosing between a LSS and a 5:25 to go along with my LSC.

I went through the same process: had an LSC 2x12 and a Vox AC30. Both were heavy and loud. I wanted the EL84 sound but wanted the versatility of the Lonestar. I returned the Vox and then tried a 5:25 and an LSS. For me there was no contest for these reason:

5:25
-The 10 inch speaker and small cabinet sounded too boxy for me
-The overdrive channel was quite noisy

LSS
-Really fell in love with the fur and spank you could get out of ch 1
-Understood that Ch 2 isn't quite the gain of 5:25 but still able to get great lead sounds
-The think just looks so **** good

If money is not an object I would go with the LSS; these are two great amps to have (LSC and LSS).
 
Thanks for the info Geobull, did you audition the 5:50 as well?

In my informal review of both the LSS and 5:25, I have to say I liked the 5:25 a lot more than the 5:50 even. I thought the cleans were comparable the LSS if not quite as expansive. but again it's hard to tell when you auditioning in a music store.

See my only concern is that the preamp stage and tone stack for both LoneStars are identical. IF I get a second amp I'd rather go for something that is different than my LSC. I'm thinking maybe the 5:50 with some yellowjackets installed might work. This way I can use that amp for that el84 tone and still swap in 6L6s when I'm running my LSC with EL34s.

Please though, keep the comments coming
 
I did audition the 5:50. It was ok but wasn't ELx4 tubes and I was already pretty sold on the LSC so it wasn't of much interest.

I can't say I hammered the 5:25 or 5:50 as hard as I did the LSS. I lost interest in them pretty quickly, especially the noise. I took the LSS into the back room of GC and played it for an hour. I absolutely loved it.

I understand your concern. I now have both LS amps and sometimes it gives me the heebie-jeebies that I spent so much on fundementally similar amps. That said here's why I'm glad I have the LSS:

-It is EL84 tubes
-It is MUCH easier to transport than the LSC (you'd get this with the 5:25 or 5:50 as well)
-It has some GREAT tones, especially furry ones
-Because it is the Lonestar line I feel that it is definitely a higher end amp than the Express series. I think the sound bears this out
-The format (1x12) and overall cabinet size give it IMO a much bigger sound than the 5:25
-The 5/15/30 feature is important. I use 15 a lot for mild overdrive and 5 a lot for the single-ended, class A sweetness.
-The thing just looks so **** good :)

And here's why I'm glad I also have the LSC:

-6L6 tubes quite a different tone
-Great clean headroom
-Very full with 2x12
-10/50/100 feature is very useful
-All the things I said above about Lonestar line
-A lot of strong artist endorsements
-The thing just looks so **** good :)

And here's why I'm glad I have both:

-Well, who wouldn't want to own two Mesa's? (I actually own three)
-Four channels available via A/B/Y box
-LSS great to throw in the car and haul around
-LSC potentially great for bigger venues
-Easy knowledge transfer from amp to amp. I'm starting to really get to know the tone controls and can dial in pretty quickly on both.
-They both just look so **** good :)

Let me know if you need any further info.
 
Geobull that is definitely a sweet setup.

I love the Lonestar line. imo it's clean tones are as good as the FUchs ODS and many other boutique amps I've tried. However now I am looking for an amp with a little more gain thus my interest in the Express line. I guess I could always look at the MK iV.

How's the 10w setting on the LSC. I've got an older model with only the 50w/100w settings?


BTW Thanks for all the inifo
 
Pageburst said:
Geobull that is definitely a sweet setup. I love the Lonestar line. imo it's clean tones are as good as the FUchs ODS and many other boutique amps I've tried.
I did a jam where a guy had a Bruno ($5000+ head and cabinet). It was single channel and while it did have a great overdriven sound it seemed to have no clean; I played through it a bit and just couldn't get it to clean up. People at the jam thought the LSS beat it hands down.

Pageburst said:
However now I am looking for an amp with a little more gain thus my interest in the Express line. I guess I could always look at the MK iV.

Wow, if you can afford to add the Mk IV that would likely be great. I have an '84 Mk iic+ and it does have about the ultimate in hi-gain sound.

Pageburst said:
How's the 10w setting on the LSC. I've got an older model with only the 50w/100w settings?

10w setting is really cool for ch 2. Really sweet lead sound. In certain situations I've had to tweak it or go to 50w to get it to cut through. Still, a great feature.
 
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