will a gforce/system/major work well in parallel fx loop?

[wastoid]

Isn't the original (dry) signal what causes most of the phase issues if it is reintroduced with latency?

yeah but it seems like it'd still theoretically possible to get some phase issues if your wet signal isn't sufficiently different from the 10% the amp is going to mix back in, so I'd think that folk who have no issues with this type of setup are just lucky for the most part, or don't notice whatever (minor?) problems in the sound.

 

[rectonator296]

wow i don't understand anything what you guys have talked about :lol: great knowledge of you guys though very useful info actually i just wanted to know what kind of pedals will only work in parallel fx loop. I was considering the g system maybe in the near future but for the time being, i'm frustrated that i can't even put an eq to run with my delay in the loop.

 

[nomad100hd]

mesa should really abandon the parallel only loop

 

[camsna]

Isn't the original (dry) signal what causes most of the phase issues if it is reintroduced with latency?

yeah but it seems like it'd still theoretically possible to get some phase issues if your wet signal isn't sufficiently different from the 10% the amp is going to mix back in, so I'd think that folk who have no issues with this type of setup are just lucky for the most part, or don't notice whatever (minor?) problems in the sound.

What part of the wet signal could be sufficiently similar to the dry signal to get phasing problems?

 

[wastoid]

Isn't the original (dry) signal what causes most of the phase issues if it is reintroduced with latency?

yeah but it seems like it'd still theoretically possible to get some phase issues if your wet signal isn't sufficiently different from the 10% the amp is going to mix back in, so I'd think that folk who have no issues with this type of setup are just lucky for the most part, or don't notice whatever (minor?) problems in the sound.

What part of the wet signal could be sufficiently similar to the dry signal to get phasing problems?

Well the most obvious case would be when your FX unit is just internally bypassed. After that it's just increasing amounts of difference and since the possibilities for an effect on a signal are so vast, having small (possibly unnoticeable?) bits of cancellation seems like it wouldn't be all that uncommon.

I'm more interested in the question from the theoretical perspective, not so much the impact it would have on a guitarist. It just doesn't seem like it's possible to ever avoid phase cancellation 100% of the time. Even if you're just mixing two arbitrary random signals, I think it could happen sometimes.

 

[NoGlassNoClass]

It just doesn't seem like it's possible to ever avoid phase cancellation 100% of the time...

You cant. Multiple speakers in the same enclosure, room reflections, slight variations in power tubes, the slightest imbalance of the amp's phase-inverter circuit, fluctuations in line voltage, and more to the point digital fx latency.

All these little quirks and inefficiencies are what keeps our hopelessly outdated vacuum tube technology standing proudly above even the best modelling gadgets.

And now that I have completely derailed this thread, consider this... Suppose you could actually create and record a "perfect" guitar tone with no phase issues, no fx latency, no nothing. And suppose you could capture it at a higher bitrate and sampling frequency than the human ear/brain can process. Sooner or later you're going to want to listen to it, right? Speakers, the room, temperature, humidity, everything down to the cork-sniffer-approved $1000-a-foot unobtainium speaker wires, is going to affect that sound to some extent.

IMO the impact any of this has on the typical guitarist should be minimal. If your effects sound bad, twist knobs and push buttons until it sounds good. Try a different fx unit. Mod the loop. I don't even know where I'm going with this anymore...sorry :roll:

 

[Monsta-Tone]

IMO the impact any of this has on the typical guitarist should be minimal. If your effects sound bad, twist knobs and push buttons until it sounds good. Try a different fx unit. Mod the loop. I don't even know where I'm going with this anymore...sorry

Exactly where you went!

If it feels good, do it. Otherwise, move her leg a little.