what the hell?

[mateswithbears]

maybe some of you guys can help me out on this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hI0e7kvnd1A&feature=related

this tone is pretty intense. Says he's running a wylde overdrive and a delay pedal. What you think his settings are? It sounds like hes eliminated the lame fizzyness that the channel 3 can produce, all input is appreciated.

 

[TimeSignature]

A few things that i can think of....

1- he says he is sitting the camera on top of the amp which will immediatley eliminate any on axis ice pick treble beaming (from the speaker) which will reduce the fuzz and high end as well
2 - 'vintage' mode = less fuzzy than the more modern settings
3 - I would imagine he is playing at a very LOUD volume with the gain rolled back
4 - He is using the wylde OD which adds gain/ distortion without adding (too much) fuzz
5 - the stock mic on the camera probably isnt capable of capturing the really high end rectifizzle horrible-ness


I agree that tone is sick.

 

[ESP123]

his eq settings:

cool,well on modern mode i set,? prescence = 5 bass = 3 mid =5 treble =6 gain =5 and all the mxr overdrive dials straight up although i tweak here and there depending on how warm the tubes are. i find using less amp gain i get a bit more compression from using the pedal to boost it rather than cranking the gain on the amp which sounds a bit fizzy at times 8 months ago

 

[ibanez4life SZ!]

Sounds like Recto to me :?

 

[mateswithbears]

his eq settings:

cool,well on modern mode i set,? prescence = 5 bass = 3 mid =5 treble =6 gain =5 and all the mxr overdrive dials straight up although i tweak here and there depending on how warm the tubes are. i find using less amp gain i get a bit more compression from using the pedal to boost it rather than cranking the gain on the amp which sounds a bit fizzy at times 8 months ago

I actually saw those settings in the comments of the video, but when i dial them in on my amp it sounds nothing like what i hear. Does the wylde overdrive add a serious amount of gain/Distortion? Because my screamer isnt able to dial in that sound without having the gain on my amp up to around 2 o clock. Having the gain at 5 doesnt give me even a desent metal tone, but more of a bluesy tone.

 

[ibanez4life SZ!]

I think his settings are in 1-10...no o'clock. That should make it sound closer.

Eric

 

[mateswithbears]

I think his settings are in 1-10...no o'clock. That should make it sound closer.

Eric

i knew that lol. Still no change Eric.

 

[TimeSignature]

Re-read my post above to get a clue as to how the sound is so good...

There is nothing you can do to eliminate the rectifizzle sound. It doesnt bother some people though. Unfortunately once you hear it /pick up on it you can never get it out of your head. LOL. That is what happened to me, I had to toss the Roadster and pick up a Mark series amp! I heard that some of the older rectifiers do not have the fizz issue. Also apparently changing out the tubes helps... although some say they can not hear a difference or the difference isnt enough to stop the fizz from driving them nuts.

You can try using different speakers. For example, C90's instead of V30's will cut down the fizz as well.

 

[volatileNoise]

after listening to that video, I ask myself the same as the thread is titled...

 

[mateswithbears]

after listening to that video, I ask myself the same as the thread is titled...

For the same reason I am? Lol

 

[greg_moreira]

Here is what I have found works well enough for getting rid of fizz. I use a 3 channel triple, modern mode channel 3, silicon diodes and bold setting. Also use an MXR 10 band EQ(only in the loop) and a maxon od808 out front. Medium/medium high output pickup(duncan custom custom, or duncan jb depending on the guitar).

I set gain and tone at zero on the maxon and the balance(level) around 2 oclock. On the amp, the presence maybe around 8 or 9 oclock and treble is somewhere around noon give or take. Gain usually at noon, but I think more like 1 would be a little better for that gain heavy of a sound. I really crank the mids....like all the way....but you might not like that. Adjust to taste. Bass is around noon(id run it less if I didnt have this od...but the maxon cuts a lot out). I also crank channel 3's volume pretty hard, and run the output(master volume) pretty low to get the preamp working pretty hard(sounds a little warmer to me). Adjust it to the volume you need, but whatever you do.....i find it best with the channel volume driven harder than the master volume.

Lastly....I roll off the highest bands on the EQ(16k and I think 10k). 16k hardly touches tone, but gets rid of some of that airy fizz. 10k has a bigger effect on fizz...but also tone. be careful here or it can sound dull. pulling a hair out though cleans it up. my tone is still thick and cutting but much less scratchy.

 

[fluff191]

My 3 Channel Recto has no fizz. 8)

 

[volatileNoise]

after listening to that video, I ask myself the same as the thread is titled...

For the same reason I am? Lol

No, cause it sounds like crap really...

 

[mateswithbears]

after listening to that video, I ask myself the same as the thread is titled...

For the same reason I am? Lol

No, cause it sounds like crap really...

I don't know. To each his own I guess lol

 

[EleventhHour2139]

Wow, that is definitely a decent sounding tone there. Rhythm playing was meh, but man that lead tone sounded like a different amp entirely 8) .

 

[mateswithbears]

Wow, that is definitely a decent sounding tone there. Rhythm playing was meh, but man that lead tone sounded like a different amp entirely 8) .

ya his playing was ok. But the lead tone is sweet. I think he may have switched to channel two for his lead maybe? Sounds smoother than 3rd chann modern.

 

[mateswithbears]

Here is what I have found works well enough for getting rid of fizz. I use a 3 channel triple, modern mode channel 3, silicon diodes and bold setting. Also use an MXR 10 band EQ(only in the loop) and a maxon od808 out front. Medium/medium high output pickup(duncan custom custom, or duncan jb depending on the guitar).

I set gain and tone at zero on the maxon and the balance(level) around 2 oclock. On the amp, the presence maybe around 8 or 9 oclock and treble is somewhere around noon give or take. Gain usually at noon, but I think more like 1 would be a little better for that gain heavy of a sound. I really crank the mids....like all the way....but you might not like that. Adjust to taste. Bass is around noon(id run it less if I didnt have this od...but the maxon cuts a lot out). I also crank channel 3's volume pretty hard, and run the output(master volume) pretty low to get the preamp working pretty hard(sounds a little warmer to me). Adjust it to the volume you need, but whatever you do.....i find it best with the channel volume driven harder than the master volume.

Lastly....I roll off the highest bands on the EQ(16k and I think 10k). 16k hardly touches tone, but gets rid of some of that airy fizz. 10k has a bigger effect on fizz...but also tone. be careful here or it can sound dull. pulling a hair out though cleans it up. my tone is still thick and cutting but much less scratchy.

That sounds like a great idea. A tone without mids is like a burger without the patty lol. I would like to try the eq idea but i lack the mxr pedal. Do you think a different pedal that i have in my possession might do the trick? I used to use my boss mt-2 sort of like an eq. Think it might work?

 

[b0nkersx]

That sounds like a great idea. A tone without mids is like a burger without the patty lol. I would like to try the eq idea but i lack the mxr pedal. Do you think a different pedal that i have in my possession might do the trick? I used to use my boss mt-2 sort of like an eq. Think it might work?

Hey,

An MT2 won't work like you want it to since greg is using the EQ in the loop to affect the signal post-preamp. On the bright side, I believe that the EQ is probably the least essential change of everything greg mentioned. I have the same one, used to use it, and don't anymore. Loop hard bypass > EQ one-hundred-fold.

But about that particular tone, I know he's in modern mode, but if I were going for that kind of lead tone, I would hit up the vintage mode without a doubt. Try these settings in vintage, then switch it to modern and see how you like it. I use these settings in both modes depending on my mood.

Bold, diodes, channel 2. Kick the front with your tubescreamer. Drive minimum, output maxed (lower it a bit if you feel it's too much), tone at around 9:00.
Treble: 12:00-1:30 (I've found that the treble knob causes more of the infamous fizz than presence, so experiment tastefully in this range)
Mid: 11:00-1:00 (diming the mids sounds great IMO but it won't get you that kind of sound. it's worth trying still)
Bass: 3:00 (be careful with this, I have a Mills cab which can handle the bass and an EMG 81 which doesn't have a lot of bass; you might need to turn it down)
Presence: experiment between 7:00 and 12:00; it varies too much depending on treble and gain.
Gain: depends on your pickups. Put this one entirely to taste.

Try it in vintage first, and then switch it to modern and see if you like it better. Cranking the channel master and lowering the output really does benefit the tone as well, but it makes balancing channel volumes extremely difficult. This is why I hard bypass the loop and output section. Give that a try if you haven't already.

 

[TimeSignature]

My 3 Channel Recto has no fizz. 8)

Is the amp modded... or is it an older rectifier... or ????