Vintage 30 Help

[bandit2013]

$400 to recone a V30. Cheaper to just buy a replacement. I would not waste my money on that. This is what I used in my OS Recto 412 cab when I took out the crappy V30 speakers from that year of cab. You would get more speaker for the money spent.

https://www.americanmusical.com/p/e...term=4581183927325416&utm_content=All Devices

The end result is a massive cab that will blow you mind. Probably not a good fit for a Dual Rectifier though. Much better if that amp you are waiting for is a Reissue IIC+ or if you bought into the hype of the limited run IIC++ (don't buy that, you can mod the IIC+ if needed, but wait until after the warranty expires. Why not just buy two IIC+ reissues as that is the cost of the IIC++). I had rebuilt this cab several times to the point I could not longer attach the grill from inside. Had to do it the other way. Also had to add some rubber foam to prevent the grill from vibrating.

With the grill on. Should have used black washers instead of silver.

You can buy direct from Mesa and get the current V30 speakers that they are now using. Much better than the one's that were shipped in the 2000 year cab. They do have the 8 ohm version. $160 each. That would be way better than recone an older model.

https://store.mesaboogie.com/products/speaker-12-celestion-vintage-30-uk-made.html

This is what Mesa has been using for some time now. This cab rocks with all of my amps. Why I have two of them but with different grill cloths. This one is from 2015. Basket no longer had the ink stamp for the part number, it is on a label on the side of the magnet. They look nearly identical to the original 2000 but have a different part number and cone number. They sound completely different, in other words they sound really good. I would say they are a more universal 412 cab with the current V30 speakers. I can run any of my Mesa amps and they all sound good. From the Mark to the Recto and in-between. First time I opened up the back of one of the newer 412 cabs. At least it was not sealed like the OS Recto cab.

Note that the traditional size cab you have will provide more midrange content. I was considering that after I bought the MWDR in 2018. Just by chance I had to take a trip to Corona CA for work, drove up to Hollywood and visited the Mesa store on the Sunset Strip and I was able to try the traditional 412 and the Standard 412 cab. I preferred the Standard as it had a more scooped sound which to me worked better with the MWDR. Roadster was a different animal and much darker in tone. It was better with the EV speakers. So far nothing beats the JP2C or the Mark VII with the EV loaded 412 cab. I did not favor the MWDR with the EV speakers though. Preferred the more current V30 that Mesa has been using since they changed the voice coil back to what it was supposed to be and not the one used with the Marshall brand of V30. They are listed as the 70W G12 Vintage (basically the same speaker as the 2000 OS recto but 16-ohms and the cab is also rated at 280W, reference Marshall 2551A. they are just as flubby as the Mesa 70W version but they work with the 2555x amp. I did run the Marshall with the Standard 412, the 60W V30 speakers just sound better. That is my 2 cents of opinion. Sure, it is all subjective.

There are those that formed their own group called the V30 Haters Club. I was once a member myself but that was because of the 70W-V30 flatulence speakers. For me it was a big risk to spend money on yet another 412 cab, figured it would sound like crap but it paid off and actually sounded great. No regrets getting that cab. The 2551A cab in the middle has the 70W G12 Vintage. Same bloody speaker as the 70W-V30.

I am not a speaker expert in any way. But I can tell what sounds like and it is not the lack of my guitar playing skills either.

 

[mark1406]

A shop pretty close to me down in NYC told me ~400 bucks per speaker... Safe to say I’m looking into what the other guys said about mixing and matching speakers right now to get a new sound

$400 a speaker is outrageous. He obviously doesn’t want the work, but if you insist he will rob you blind.

Scumback speakers recone for $109.00

There are other places that will recone your speakers it just Google search away.

https://www.scumbackspeakers.com/recones.html

 

[mark1406]

$400 to recone a V30. Cheaper to just buy a replacement. I would not waste my money on that. This is what I used in my OS Recto 412 cab when I took out the crappy V30 speakers from that year of cab. You would get more speaker for the money spent.

https://www.americanmusical.com/p/electro-voice-evm12l-blacklabel-zakk-wylde-signature-guitar-speaker-8?sku=ELE-BLACKLABEL8&src=D1307BNGHAMS0000&src=D1307BNGHAMS0000&msclkid=45f3350904e014b4e7db5295534b1647&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=QT Shopping - 30% - 40%&utm_term=4581183927325416&utm_content=All Devices

The end result is a massive cab that will blow you mind. Probably not a good fit for a Dual Rectifier though. Much better if that amp you are waiting for is a Reissue IIC+ or if you bought into the hype of the limited run IIC++ (don't buy that, you can mod the IIC+ if needed, but wait until after the warranty expires. Why not just buy two IIC+ reissues as that is the cost of the IIC++). I had rebuilt this cab several times to the point I could not longer attach the grill from inside. Had to do it the other way. Also had to add some rubber foam to prevent the grill from vibrating.

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With the grill on. Should have used black washers instead of silver.

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You can buy direct from Mesa and get the current V30 speakers that they are now using. Much better than the one's that were shipped in the 2000 year cab. They do have the 8 ohm version. $160 each. That would be way better than recone an older model.

https://store.mesaboogie.com/products/speaker-12-celestion-vintage-30-uk-made.html

This is what Mesa has been using for some time now. This cab rocks with all of my amps. Why I have two of them but with different grill cloths. This one is from 2015. Basket no longer had the ink stamp for the part number, it is on a label on the side of the magnet. They look nearly identical to the original 2000 but have a different part number and cone number. They sound completely different, in other words they sound really good. I would say they are a more universal 412 cab with the current V30 speakers. I can run any of my Mesa amps and they all sound good. From the Mark to the Recto and in-between. First time I opened up the back of one of the newer 412 cabs. At least it was not sealed like the OS Recto cab.

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Note that the traditional size cab you have will provide more midrange content. I was considering that after I bought the MWDR in 2018. Just by chance I had to take a trip to Corona CA for work, drove up to Hollywood and visited the Mesa store on the Sunset Strip and I was able to try the traditional 412 and the Standard 412 cab. I preferred the Standard as it had a more scooped sound which to me worked better with the MWDR. Roadster was a different animal and much darker in tone. It was better with the EV speakers. So far nothing beats the JP2C or the Mark VII with the EV loaded 412 cab. I did not favor the MWDR with the EV speakers though. Preferred the more current V30 that Mesa has been using since they changed the voice coil back to what it was supposed to be and not the one used with the Marshall brand of V30. They are listed as the 70W G12 Vintage (basically the same speaker as the 2000 OS recto but 16-ohms and the cab is also rated at 280W, reference Marshall 2551A. they are just as flubby as the Mesa 70W version but they work with the 2555x amp. I did run the Marshall with the Standard 412, the 60W V30 speakers just sound better. That is my 2 cents of opinion. Sure, it is all subjective.

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There are those that formed their own group called the V30 Haters Club. I was once a member myself but that was because of the 70W-V30 flatulence speakers. For me it was a big risk to spend money on yet another 412 cab, figured it would sound like crap but it paid off and actually sounded great. No regrets getting that cab. The 2551A cab in the middle has the 70W G12 Vintage. Same bloody speaker as the 70W-V30.

I am not a speaker expert in any way. But I can tell what sounds like and it is not the lack of my guitar playing skills either.

$400 for a recone is theft, it’s between $100 and $200.

Regards

Mark

 

[bandit2013]

Hell, I would never get a V30 reconned. Cheaper to just buy new ones direct from Mesa.

 

[solderhead]

The store that quoted that obscene $400 price is telling you that they don't want to be bothered with reconing jobs, so they make their price prohibitively high so that reconing customers hear the price and go away. It's time to walk away from them and look elsewhere.

The problem with reconing is that even if you get quoted a really good price, it's almost always no cheaper than the cost of buying a new speaker because the only part of your blown speaker that can be salvaged is the basket and the magnet. By themselves those parts are worth almost nothing. And by the time you pay to ship them to someone to be reconed you're likely to be spending so much on the recone kit, labor and shipping that it'll probably be cheaper to just buy a new speaker.

IME the only way that reconing becomes a viable option is if: 1) you've got a speaker that is out of production and can't be replaced by a new speaker but a factory recone kit is available (I'm thinking EVM-15L) and you're willing to pay whatever it costs, or if 2) you can buy a factory recone kit at a decent price and you're willing to do the reconing yourself. That can be a fairly cheap option but it requires some skill.

Most of the time the cheapest way out that provides a guaranteed good outcome is to just toss the speakers and buy new ones.

The cost to buy a new V30 from Mesa is $160:
https://store.mesaboogie.com/products/speaker-12-celestion-vintage-30-uk-made.html

 

[rarebitusa]

and I've gone thru and sampled every single one available in the WoS store

Which ones in the WOS did you end up liking the most?

 

[DECEMBER]

Which ones in the WOS did you end up liking the most?

This is the only one I bought:
Noise Factory CaliMaster68 212 Utah
This one sounded best to me out of all of theirs, but now that I made my own, I'm not using it. I just can't get down with the tubby low end and sandpaper high end I hear in every IR made by anyone else. They sound like the 'mic' is halfway across the room in a tunnel made out of Rubbermaid, while the high end sounds like the 'mic' is right on the dust cap.

 

[ShaneLax7]

The store that quoted that obscene $400 price is telling you that they don't want to be bothered with reconing jobs, so they make their price prohibitively high so that reconing customers hear the price and go away. It's time to walk away from them and look elsewhere.

The problem with reconing is that even if you get quoted a really good price, it's almost always no cheaper than the cost of buying a new speaker because the only part of your blown speaker that can be salvaged is the basket and the magnet. By themselves those parts are worth almost nothing. And by the time you pay to ship them to someone to be reconed you're likely to be spending so much on the recone kit, labor and shipping that it'll probably be cheaper to just buy a new speaker.

IME the only way that reconing becomes a viable option is if: 1) you've got a speaker that is out of production and can't be replaced by a new speaker but a factory recone kit is available (I'm thinking EVM-15L) and you're willing to pay whatever it costs, or if 2) you can buy a factory recone kit at a decent price and you're willing to do the reconing yourself. That can be a fairly cheap option but it requires some skill.

Most of the time the cheapest way out that provides a guaranteed good outcome is to just toss the speakers and buy new ones.

The cost to buy a new V30 from Mesa is $160:
https://store.mesaboogie.com/products/speaker-12-celestion-vintage-30-uk-made.html

You’re right, I was Just wondering if there was any tonal difference between the older ones Vs. the new ones I would Buy from Mesa. What would you recommend; should I do All 4 V30s or split 2 V30s and 2 of another speaker? If so what would you choose?