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LerxstLee

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Either Gibson is working to solve their legal problems before they pop up. It was too
late when they were charged with taking the wood from Madacascar, that was imported from Germany.
I had mentioned whata crock it was to see gibson anouncing a jimi Hendrix Strat for the holidays. How that really struck a nerve with me. They sue PRS, Why "major competition", yet , then they make a JH strat pack. Strat and GIbson.
Something did not ring a bell with me. Well something struck their bells. :lol:
/cheers and enjoy

http://www.premierguitar.com/Magazine/Issue/Daily/News/Gibson_Removes_Mentions_of_Hendrix_from_Website.aspx
 
Gibson has been having a lot of issues in the past five years to the present. I blame the flooding of the market with Les pauls and other models. Seriously there are like 13 versions of the Les Paul now. I am a Gibson fan and own two older LPs but stuff like this sadens me
 
I have a great Recent make Les Paul, and a well loved '62 melody maker. I have owned
other Gibson guitars in the past, yet ever since the AL-355 coVOLUTED mess I will never waste a
cent on their guitars again. I also think that if you name a guitar a Les Paul "custom-standard ect.", that is enough of a name.
Why call it a Les Paul Custom Jimmy Page #2. Enough already.
 
+1 Lerxst...maybe if they didn't make so many "different" models, their quality would be easier to control :? . I'm just SO disenchanted with the new stuff they are putting out there; none of the new guitars feels right to me. I've been a Gibson man for MANY years and something is just off. The last model I was happy with was a 2000 LP; it impressed me enough that I almost took it home. IMHO Gibson is digging their own grave; very needless.
For now, I'll just love my old 355 and Mesa's; they do everything I ask of them and more!
 
LerxstLee said:
Either Gibson is working to solve their legal problems before they pop up. It was too
late when they were charged with taking the wood from Madacascar, that was imported from Germany.
I had mentioned whata crock it was to see gibson anouncing a jimi Hendrix Strat for the holidays. How that really struck a nerve with me. They sue PRS, Why "major competition", yet , then they make a JH strat pack. Strat and GIbson.
Something did not ring a bell with me. Well something struck their bells. :lol:
/cheers and enjoy

http://www.premierguitar.com/Magazine/Issue/Daily/News/Gibson_Removes_Mentions_of_Hendrix_from_Website.aspx

WHAT

THE

HELL!???


Reminds me of that quote from Rivera to Fender about their amps. "Why are you copying someone? you're FENDER!"

Why is Gibson copying someone? Put time into your instruments and make them like you ought to. Geez.

I got a 2002 LP Standard and for whatever reason mine just plays way better than many I have tried. The orange peel around the neck pocket was the only real visible problem with the instrument but come on, for $3,000 the guitar should be flawless. I mean I wanted THAT TONE, $$$s be damned; but looking back, it was a frightful waste of money on one piece of gear, even if I love it but I digress . . .
 
working live and in studio with many bands, I was surprised to see how many people bought flashy looking Les Pauls (because you MUST play a Les Paul to be 'cool' :lol: ) and they sounded really harsh and undefined. With horrible ice pick highs and undefined 'ball of mud' in the lows and no mids at all. No matter what you would do to them they wouldn't cut through the mix. Once I was engineering a session of a Led Zep wannabe rip-off band and the wannabe Page's Les Paul was a horrid sounding turd that looked amazingly beautiful. The guitar was being recorder thru a cranked up Standell combo that sounded truly amazing (with every other guitar). The producer ended up handing a tele (very Pagey too) to the guy, and what a difference. The Tele had so much more body than that Les Paul... Everything came to life. That LP was so harsh and horrid that was unusable.

I have ended up collecting some great sounding gear over the years. Instead of thinking like a collector, I tried and compared different pieces of gear. Instead of focusing on what's written on them I went for the quality of their sound. As soon as something is not the best at its job or doesn't have a especial voice that I like, it gets sold straight away.

Many years ago, I bought a Les paul custom lite, a limited edition that run from 87 to 88. At the time I didn't have a clue, but it felt good to be part of the 'cool' club. I always felt that it sounded really full and creamy (not so much with the factory coil tap feature but still a very useful feature to have. Although I always missed the tone pot where the toggle switch was) People I was playing with in different bands, would tell me how good the tone of that guitar was. Years later I played with other LP players and the same thing would happen. Most of them were plainly horrid noise machines. They'd look great but sounded nasty in comparison.

One day after reading this interview, tI understood a few things.

http://www.dinosaurrockguitar.com/new/node/240

(I hope it helps)

So my guess is that the 87-88 Custom Lites were using a thinner slab of wood in the body because they were probably running out of it. So instead of gluing two or three slabs together sandwich style, they built thinner solid bodied guitars and I think the overall tone benefited from that.

From what's been said in the article, my opinion is that the guys at Gibson are just a bunch of crooks selling Barbie dolls to people who don't have a clue, like myself many years ago. I was lucky, but after spending so much money on a guitar if you discover it's a 'dog' you must feel ripped off.

A few years ago a bought a late eighties Burny Super Grade. It still sounds a lot better than most LP I hear out there. I don't know how accurate it is as a 59/60 replica, but its a great guitar that doesn't envy an original LP. The pickup output is a bit higher with a pronounced peak at 3KHz compared to my Custom Lite so it sounds more aggressive for certain styles of music (and its a lot more forgiving to play live :wink: ). However, if I want creamier tones I go to the Custom Lite.
 
Sounds like a perfect time for a referral to the guys that make LP style guitars in the old Gibby factory...Heritage. To see some unreal guitar porn, go to www.heritageownersclub.com and be ready to see plenty of reasons to choose one of them over a G-git, especially after you see the woods, finishes, and old school building style that goes into each Heritage...American made with pride and quality in Kalamazoo! Spend a lot less $$$ and get a lot more guitar.
 
When I think about expressing my opinion about newer Les Pauls and Gibson in general I struggle to control my emotion/ anger. I've had several Gibsons over the years so I know they have well deserved reputation, Reputation is built through quality. The consumer and their satisfaction is the vehicle that reputation travels on.
I bought my LP in 2007. I've had three setups done, all top dollar setups. I can't seem to get it right. Within one year it developed finish checking over the entire top. I never even took it out of the house. Within six months the combo lock on the case stopped working and won't stay closed.
Gibson said the cracks in the finish were from temperature changes. I know that's a fact. I also know the guitar was indoors from the time I bought it. They said they can't help me. They said the cases are not their product and referred me to the case manufacturer who wan'ts $25 plus shipping for a replacement lock that I would need to install myself. Like i'm gonna break out my tools, cut up my case and install a new lock.
OK I'll say it, I'm not happy. I feel like I wasted $2300. I feel like an idiot for wasting my hard earned cash behind a has been company and their reputation.
I've seen a lot of bad press recently about Gibson. Maybe they'll realize that reputation is only as strong as the vehicle that it rides on.
 
Speaking of Gibson, I have yet to find one that does everything well at an affordable price, hence not having a single Gibson in the arsenal. I do however have a LP copy, which is a Burny LP Custom sometime from the early 80s. I'm also soon to score a Tokai LS-85T, which I'm quite excited about, giving the goldtop look and the price I'm going to pay for. Should be good. Stay tuned...
 
IBA said:
working live and in studio with many bands, I was surprised to see how many people bought flashy looking Les Pauls (because you MUST play a Les Paul to be 'cool' :lol: ) and they sounded really harsh and undefined. With horrible ice pick highs and undefined 'ball of mud' in the lows and no mids at all. No matter what you would do to them they wouldn't cut through the mix.


I was starting to think my ear sucked compared to everyone else. I'm not getting the tone I expected from a LP. I have the same complaint of my LP Studio. Anyone know of a pickup(s) that 'corrects' these shortcomings?
 
Chad79 said:
I was starting to think my ear sucked compared to everyone else. I'm not getting the tone I expected from a LP. I have the same complaint of my LP Studio. Anyone know of a pickup(s) that 'corrects' these shortcomings?

copied from Wikipedia "The first Studios from 83–86, except for Studio Standard and Studio Custom, were made with alder bodies rather than mahogany/maple. The current Studios come with either a chambered mahogany body with a maple cap, or a chambered mahogany body with a mahogany cap. The latter also include "faded" finishes."

Which body wood(s) do you have? This will be crucial to your pickup choice.
 
JOEY B. said:
Which body wood(s) do you have? This will be crucial to your pickup choice.

I'm fairly certain it's a '98. Not sure what group that puts it in. I'll have to research over the weekend.
 
I know it has been stated a million times but the problem with Gibson is that they have over extended their lines. They used to have the LP studio, classic, standard, custom....DONE. Now you see the 2010 Gibon Les Paul standard traditional plus model with robot tuner brains. WTF, just build a few good models and keep the quality intact.
 
Amen to that, brother...I was saying the same thing a few posts back. The product line has gotten too convoluted to keep the quality where it needs to be. :?
 
IBA said:
working live and in studio with many bands, I was surprised to see how many people bought flashy looking Les Pauls (because you MUST play a Les Paul to be 'cool' :lol: ) and they sounded really harsh and undefined. With horrible ice pick highs and undefined 'ball of mud' in the lows and no mids at all. No matter what you would do to them they wouldn't cut through the mix. Once I was engineering a session of a Led Zep wannabe rip-off band and the wannabe Page's Les Paul was a horrid sounding turd that looked amazingly beautiful. The guitar was being recorder thru a cranked up Standell combo that sounded truly amazing (with every other guitar). The producer ended up handing a tele (very Pagey too) to the guy, and what a difference. The Tele had so much more body than that Les Paul... Everything came to life. That LP was so harsh and horrid that was unusable.

I have ended up collecting some great sounding gear over the years. Instead of thinking like a collector, I tried and compared different pieces of gear. Instead of focusing on what's written on them I went for the quality of their sound. As soon as something is not the best at its job or doesn't have a especial voice that I like, it gets sold straight away.

Many years ago, I bought a Les paul custom lite, a limited edition that run from 87 to 88. At the time I didn't have a clue, but it felt good to be part of the 'cool' club. I always felt that it sounded really full and creamy (not so much with the factory coil tap feature but still a very useful feature to have. Although I always missed the tone pot where the toggle switch was) People I was playing with in different bands, would tell me how good the tone of that guitar was. Years later I played with other LP players and the same thing would happen. Most of them were plainly horrid noise machines. They'd look great but sounded nasty in comparison.

One day after reading this interview, tI understood a few things.

http://www.dinosaurrockguitar.com/new/node/240

(I hope it helps)

So my guess is that the 87-88 Custom Lites were using a thinner slab of wood in the body because they were probably running out of it. So instead of gluing two or three slabs together sandwich style, they built thinner solid bodied guitars and I think the overall tone benefited from that.

From what's been said in the article, my opinion is that the guys at Gibson are just a bunch of crooks selling Barbie dolls to people who don't have a clue, like myself many years ago. I was lucky, but after spending so much money on a guitar if you discover it's a 'dog' you must feel ripped off.

A few years ago a bought a late eighties Burny Super Grade. It still sounds a lot better than most LP I hear out there. I don't know how accurate it is as a 59/60 replica, but its a great guitar that doesn't envy an original LP. The pickup output is a bit higher with a pronounced peak at 3KHz compared to my Custom Lite so it sounds more aggressive for certain styles of music (and its a lot more forgiving to play live :wink: ). However, if I want creamier tones I go to the Custom Lite.

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Forgive me for being incredulous, but in my experience, if you shell out a few grand for a Les Paul Standard or Custom (Not one of those epiphone travesties) you get a very clear tone, provided you dial it in correctly. I find that they really like Marshall and Mesa heads the best, specifically Rectos and JCM 800s, 900s, and 2000 series. The Les Paul really has this singing Crunch when chording, as well as great note separation. The cleans are super warm and rich like homemade butterscotch squares. I got a Les Paul because I shopped around for amp after amp until I discovered that the tone I was chasing was a LP. (It should be mentioned that I've NEVER found a Les Paul Studio that I liked. They always play poorly and sound like how most people who hate Gibson guitars describe them.)

Generally speaking, an amp and a cab has to match with the right guitar. For instance, my Godin LG sounds decent through my Recto but sounds absolutely incredible through my brother's Red Bear MK60. Conversely, the Les Paul sounds like garbage through the Red Bear and sings like crazy through the recto. Your experience was most likely because your amp / cab combination was not well suited to a Les Paul but worked much better with the Fender style instruments.


[Edit] I read that article. X said he played Les Pauls through the 70s, 80s, and 90s. I do recall shopping for a guitar when I was 20 - 21 and there being a discernible difference from guitars made then, and the ones made a little later when Gibson brought back the nitrocellulose finish (like my guitar) as well as the nickel plated hardware and the redesigned 'burstbucker' pickups. I guess being picky as hell and shopping at a time when Gibson was on the upswing with quality both worked to my advantage. Man, I played MANY guitars before I settled for mine and it should be mentioned that in addition to the orange peel around the neck pocket, the electronics in the guitar were biffed. I liked the acoustic sound of the instrument in addition with the neck feel so I just had them replace the volume and tone pots and call it a day . . .
I guess I got lucky.


Oh, btw, has anyone taken a gander over to the PRS website lately. It is different than it was six years ago and now is cluttered up with entry and mid level instruments. If I was to get one, I'd prefer one with a nice carved top and stunning workmanship that was so familiar several years back.
 
This is a really interesting thread. A few years ago I made transition from Strats to LP style guitars and then a PRS (a cheaper model, but a pretty good sounding axe with P90s which I really dig). I just decided after much struggle with Strats ( owned several) that the sound I was really chasing was Mahagany, maple and humbuckers or P90s. The first thing I did was build one with a beautiful Warmouth body and some top quality electronics and pickups. The neck leaves something to be desired but it is (gasp) a bolt on set up so this is easliy rectified when cash becomes available. Now most people actually have no idea that the neck is bolt on and that it isn't some kind of Les Paul. What blows people away is the tone--fat, rich, full of complex mids--in short everything a Les Paul is supposed to do. Coupled with a Mesa Lonestar it just roars with this beautiful, full, woody tone. Each note just seems to sustain for days with so much body. I don't use heavy strings either.

So to the point of the thread...I do really want a real Les Paul. I am blessed that I live in a state with two, well known guitar dealers who are regularly cruised by well known players most people here would know. Both shops have probably 50 Les Pauls in stock on on the wall. Whenever I am in proximity to these shops I spend a few hours and play every instrument there. To date I have only found one guitar that was magical and came close to my homemade bolt on neck creation (I tend to bring it along to do comparison shopping). It was a moderately priced newer (and lighter weight which I noticed, but didn't connect at the time) goldtop at the shop in Milwaukee. I played one other one in LaCrosse venue that wasn't bad, but the idea of tossing down $5000 for it was a bit much to swallow. After reading this thread...I am also back to looking at Heritage, Burny, etc. I play alot and want to be inspired by the instuments I play...Mark
 

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