dennq45
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"If" I had to choose, the vintage amps cannot be replaced. The RK I can. Sell the RK. I'm glad I don't have to make that decision :?
sell RK1 or JCM 800 2205?
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siggy14
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I guess you have to ask which tone you gravitate more towards, also how is your money situation.
Here is the deal, you can sell anyone of these amps, but if you ever want to replace it you will end up spending more then you sold it for unless you get a dumb luck sale where you really make out.
Keep all three and be happy is what I would do, but if you are hurting for money well then you have to do what you have to do.
By the way, if you goto sell the 2205, let me know, by the way what year is it? With the 2205/2210's the later models bring in more money as the early models had a problem with the channels bleeding together.
Here is the deal, you can sell anyone of these amps, but if you ever want to replace it you will end up spending more then you sold it for unless you get a dumb luck sale where you really make out.
Keep all three and be happy is what I would do, but if you are hurting for money well then you have to do what you have to do.
By the way, if you goto sell the 2205, let me know, by the way what year is it? With the 2205/2210's the later models bring in more money as the early models had a problem with the channels bleeding together.
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siggy14
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I actually have a 2203 reissue. With a stomp in front I can get the same gain from a 2205/2210 so i am happy with it. As to not having a clean, well very rarely do i use the same amp for clean and dirty. The only amp i ever used for both clean and dirty was my roadking when i owned it. Othere then that I would rather just get a combo of some sort for clean with an A/B switch.
rabies said:
dude don't sell the mark III or the Marshal. no way man. i am assuming that the 2205 is the 50w jcm 800 right? that is rocks most secret weapon. you don't want to sell that. i sold my MarkIII and my .50cal+ and i hate myself everyday. cause the worst part is if i have 500 dollars i don't want to re-buy something that i had. it hurts to go back. you can scam a Recto from some dumb crackhead anytime. Not the jcm800.
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rabies said:
No offense at all, but the purple is Pimptastically Gay. I saw your auction and I seriously considered it because I'm dying for a RK but I'm not sure I could get over the purple.
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Man, I'm not trying to bust on you. It's a great amp at a great price. The problem is that the RKI's have been going in the same neighborhood price wise. If I had to pick between the purple people eater or a plain black one, it'd be a no brainer. Did you buy it before the II's came out. They really changed the used prices on the I's.
Even purple I'd be tempted but you're just out of my budget (your price isn't high, my budget's just low).
Even purple I'd be tempted but you're just out of my budget (your price isn't high, my budget's just low).
You could get a mesa head shell for $250 and that would get rid of the pimp-a-licious purple, then sell it for $2100 on ebay, im sure its the custom option that is slowing your sale...
do you have a matching cab?
I would sell the RK as well, its not Mesa's flagship anymore the Triple Rec is (kidding i know its the RKIIv2) so theres not alot to hold onto, the newer RK outweighs it
good luck
do you have a matching cab?
I would sell the RK as well, its not Mesa's flagship anymore the Triple Rec is (kidding i know its the RKIIv2) so theres not alot to hold onto, the newer RK outweighs it
good luck
siggy14
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they cant upgrade a 1 to 2, they changed the circuits to much.
rabies said:
I don't think I would sell anything if I were you.
Personally, I own a '88 2210 and a Mark IV. I cover most everything except the rectifier sound. Ok maybe not Vox chime either but I can't appreciate Vox. To me the Mark IV is as clean as I want to get. The Mark IV covers my cleans and anything that my 2210 can't (other than the recto sounds that I will be getting a rectifier for later). I also have a JMP for when I really want some classic tone. There too, I have an Ampeg VL for the over the top 800 (80's and early 90's) sounds. I can cover most of what the VL does with the Mark IV though so it might be on its way out the door if nothing else to help the fund towards the rectifier. The VL can get just a tad more gain than the Mark IV and has adjustable and switchable bias not to mention a lock to keep it from being powered up if you don't want someone else playing your amp while you are not around.
That 2205 is probably more versatile than you think. I primarily use my 2210 as a thrash metal pummeling device. The amp really responds to different tubes too. If you play this type of music then maybe you should try some KT-88's. Talk about slammin you against a brickwall. The 88's can make you sound absolutely brutal. If you like more of a straight up rock vibe then the EL-34's are great. The 6550's are a good middle ground. There is an easy reversible mod that takes advantage of your reverb circuit and turns it into another gain stage that is footswitchable. This makes your amp like a 4 channel beast. In addition to this, there are the various resistor changes that you can do to change your tone. You might end up liking your amp more and not ever want to sell it.
At this point I know you are thinking why have the 800 and the JMP? Well, I grew up loving the JMP's straight tone. I can't quite get that out of my 2210 without taking away the goodness that is the 800. My JMP is pretty nice with only slight oxidation near the handle and on some of the rivets so it is going to be my never sell it amp. The 800 is not as nice but sounds very brutiful so it's a keeper too.
You said you like your 2205 for blues... try an old JMP or even older a JTM. Marshall Club and Country amps are great too (SRV's choice of amp). The older Marshalls really make for some awesome blues. Though depending upon the type of blues, your Mark III should be able to handle some of the duties too.
Personally, I own a '88 2210 and a Mark IV. I cover most everything except the rectifier sound. Ok maybe not Vox chime either but I can't appreciate Vox. To me the Mark IV is as clean as I want to get. The Mark IV covers my cleans and anything that my 2210 can't (other than the recto sounds that I will be getting a rectifier for later). I also have a JMP for when I really want some classic tone. There too, I have an Ampeg VL for the over the top 800 (80's and early 90's) sounds. I can cover most of what the VL does with the Mark IV though so it might be on its way out the door if nothing else to help the fund towards the rectifier. The VL can get just a tad more gain than the Mark IV and has adjustable and switchable bias not to mention a lock to keep it from being powered up if you don't want someone else playing your amp while you are not around.
That 2205 is probably more versatile than you think. I primarily use my 2210 as a thrash metal pummeling device. The amp really responds to different tubes too. If you play this type of music then maybe you should try some KT-88's. Talk about slammin you against a brickwall. The 88's can make you sound absolutely brutal. If you like more of a straight up rock vibe then the EL-34's are great. The 6550's are a good middle ground. There is an easy reversible mod that takes advantage of your reverb circuit and turns it into another gain stage that is footswitchable. This makes your amp like a 4 channel beast. In addition to this, there are the various resistor changes that you can do to change your tone. You might end up liking your amp more and not ever want to sell it.
At this point I know you are thinking why have the 800 and the JMP? Well, I grew up loving the JMP's straight tone. I can't quite get that out of my 2210 without taking away the goodness that is the 800. My JMP is pretty nice with only slight oxidation near the handle and on some of the rivets so it is going to be my never sell it amp. The 800 is not as nice but sounds very brutiful so it's a keeper too.
You said you like your 2205 for blues... try an old JMP or even older a JTM. Marshall Club and Country amps are great too (SRV's choice of amp). The older Marshalls really make for some awesome blues. Though depending upon the type of blues, your Mark III should be able to handle some of the duties too.
rabies said:
I think that you are a little confused on this point. It is often brought up that Michael Doyle (the author of The History of Marshall) said that it is one of his favorite amps. In the book he talks about how he was without an amp because his was being worked on and had to take one as a loaner to a gig. He hadn't thought much about the split channels being that he was a 4 hole kind of guy (NMV- Non-Master Volume, otherwise known as 1959/1987, SLP, Super Lead, Plexi, whathaveyou, but don't forget the Super Bass or the Super Tremolo amps either). Not thinking that he would enjoy playing the loaner that night he went through the motions of sound check and was pleasantly surprised by the tone he was getting through what he thought was such an abomination. After the gig, he had a change of heart and now it is one of his favorites. I don't think I have ever heard of Jim Marshall making any such comments about the split channel amps but I have heard in person and seen people's comments online referring to Doyle. He is regarded as a credible and published well of Marshall information.
siggy14 said:
I have played the current reissue 2203 and though it sounds nice, I don't think it even quite nails the 2203 completely (I am referring to the fabled 6 cap flying leads vertical input 1981-1983 2203). I have played many Marshalls and actually am only rather new to Mesas, sort of, at least in comparison anyway. The 2203 went through a lot of changes through the 80's and even in the 90's when reissued as limited edition so I guess it is only fair that even the Reissue is not the same as any other previous version. This may be why it doesn't quite feel the same too. What pedal are you using in front of your 2203 reissue? I would like to A/B that configuration with my 2210.
Before you bought your reissue, did you try the older versions of the 2203? I prefer the original version myself that wasn't even a JCM800. To be perfectly honest, I prefer the 2204 to the 2203 also. You actually get to open up the 2204 a little more, and a little more often. If you like the reissue 2203 you'll probably love the JMP Master Model 50 watt Mk.II Lead (what became the JCM800 2204) especially if you play a Les Paul and load the amp with some Mullards and push it into some greenbacks. This is serious tone...
siggy14
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I have had two 2204's, both with 6550's and they sounded great, i regret selling them both, I should have kept one. One was a 1981 and the second was a 1984 with the DI, both Vertical inputs.
As to the latest reissue, it has been retubed which helps it alot, and yes it sounds like a JCM800, not exact, but then again most marshalls from that time sounded different in tone anyway. This reissue is also vertical input, you know I havent broken it open yet to see the insides, the guy i purchased it from did the retube and I believe it is from 2002. I do really need to get in to check the bias anyway so it gives me a reason to crack it open soon.
As to stomps, I use two, I use a ibanez TS9 as just a straight boost, level all the way up, gain all the way down, this gives me a in the middle gain. Then I use a Boss SD-1 with the gain maxed and the level maxed for more distortion. I never run both pedals at the same time, i just click on one depending on how much more i want to add on top.
In the long run I think I might just sell it anyway, I do have my marshall JMP-1 going through a power amp and I can get enough of a Marshall tone out of that and I am happy, I have heard people knock these, but you know for the price, **** good unit, I like it almost as much as I like my ADA MP1. For more of Darker Marshall tone I can always just plug into my XTC as well.
As to the latest reissue, it has been retubed which helps it alot, and yes it sounds like a JCM800, not exact, but then again most marshalls from that time sounded different in tone anyway. This reissue is also vertical input, you know I havent broken it open yet to see the insides, the guy i purchased it from did the retube and I believe it is from 2002. I do really need to get in to check the bias anyway so it gives me a reason to crack it open soon.
As to stomps, I use two, I use a ibanez TS9 as just a straight boost, level all the way up, gain all the way down, this gives me a in the middle gain. Then I use a Boss SD-1 with the gain maxed and the level maxed for more distortion. I never run both pedals at the same time, i just click on one depending on how much more i want to add on top.
In the long run I think I might just sell it anyway, I do have my marshall JMP-1 going through a power amp and I can get enough of a Marshall tone out of that and I am happy, I have heard people knock these, but you know for the price, **** good unit, I like it almost as much as I like my ADA MP1. For more of Darker Marshall tone I can always just plug into my XTC as well.
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