Rectifier and delay...

[jakeleigh]

Hi guys,

does anyone here actually get usable results using delay in the parallel loop on their recto? I have been using various rectos over the past 5 years (Duals and Triples) and I still can't get a sound using a delay in the loop without significant sound deterioration. I have used rackmount (G Major, GSP 1101) and pedal (DD-3) and still I get a VERY different sound to when I run it on bypass.

I use a pretty simple set up, PRS-SD-1-Triple Recto (DD-3 in loop) - Marshall 1960A and I just want to be able to use delay without serious tone loss!

Any advice would be much appreciated, I've spent a very long time doing google searches and forum searches on this issue! It is driving me mad as I get such a great sound with the loop bypassed!

 

[Jacko123]

That's interesting. I just got a Dual Rect. a few weeks ago and set up my 2 delay pedals (MXR Carbon Copy and EHX Echo #1) and my Verbzilla Reverb pedal in the loop and got something like you're describing. I didn't think anything of it because I just played a few minutes while tweaking other things. It's also the first time I try an effects loop.

I'll be interested to see what others have to say about this.

 

[jdurso]

From what I've read the issue is actaully that its a parrellel loop... meaning it mixes your dry sound from the send with the effected sound ifrom the return. The thing with this and time based effects is a parrellel loop can never be 100% wet or effected.... therefore your always mixing some dry tone with the wet. This has actually been a complaint for many years now about the 3 channel rectos.... something they switched with the Roadster in giving it a serial loop which sends 100% of your signal out of the fx loop.

I never really used delay when i had my other rectos so maybe someone else can chime in with a solution other than modding the fx loop to a serial one.

 

[JonCurcio]

I've had problems with a "feeback loop" type situation with delays in my Single Rec loop if the delay volume setting is too high. If I want loud repeats (50% and up of my original signal) they seem to start normal and turn to horrible repeated machine gun blasts that get louder very quickly.

 

[cellardweller]

I've had problems with a "feeback loop" type situation with delays in my Single Rec loop if the delay volume setting is too high. If I want loud repeats (50% and up of my original signal) they seem to start normal and turn to horrible repeated machine gun blasts that get louder very quickly.

I also had a similar problem with my Shingle Rectumfrier.

 

[wundergussy]

I think the consensus seems to be that there are tone differences between the loop on and off. But, there are things to compensate. One, you could put an eq in the loop to get back the top end loss (it seems to effect treble for me anyway). Two, you could assign the loop to only one channel, and set the channels identical and switch back and forth to non-loop channel when you don't want tone loss (anyone tried this?). Three, if you always have delay mixed in for thickness, just compensate with the amp's tone controls. Four, get the amp modded to a series loop.

I use an analog delay (boss-dm2) in my Tverb's loop, and it has always sucked some tone, which i have just come to accept, and use in my sound. Really, any pedal use comes with some compromises... I'd suggest trying to compensate w/ your tone controls, and just leave the loop in until you get used to it!