Question about ohms on a trem-o-verb

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guitarzan1143

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I want to run my ToV at half power, i remove the inner pair of power tubes and one rectifier tube (does it matter which one?) Im supposed to cut the load in half but the only cabinet i have is a 4 ohm cabinet. Can i stil plug the 4 ohm cabinet into the 4 ohm jack? or will my tone suck?
 
According to Mesa it shouldn't matter which rectifier tube you pull. As far as the ohms, I'm not much help on that one. Try calling Mesa tomorrow and if they are closed then try call MB Hollywood and someone there should be able to answer your question promptly.
 
If you only pull one rectifier tube, it will double your ohms rating on your speaker outs.

For example you would have to plug your 8 ohm cab into the 4 ohm jack.

You have a 4 ohm cab, and the lowest possible rating is 8 ohms, giving you an unsafe mis-match.

In other words, you can not do it unless you have a minimum of 8 ohms rated for your cab.

Get a single recto. Stop playing with 100 watt amps.
 
fluff191 said:
If you only pull one rectifier tube, it will double your ohms rating on your speaker outs.

For example you would have to plug your 8 ohm cab into the 4 ohm jack.

You have a 4 ohm cab, and the lowest possible rating is 8 ohms, giving you an unsafe mis-match.

In other words, you can not do it unless you have a minimum of 8 ohms rated for your cab.

Get a single recto. Stop playing with 100 watt amps.

I don't think this is necessarily true.

Pulling a rectifier tube doesn't have anything to do with the speaker load. The reason for that is to keep the same amount of sag as using all 4 tubes with both rectifier tubes. The rectifier tubes supply DC voltage to the power tubes, so if you pull 2 tubes and leave both rec tubes in place, you'll have a stiffer tone than if you pulled one rec tube due to decreased load on the rec tubes. Probably comparable to using GZ34s with all 4 tubes, but I can't verify that.

As for the cab situation, I don't think it will cause any harm to your output transformer, but may wear your tubes out quicker (but please don't go on my word, call Mesa to make sure). When you pull tubes, the plate impedance the output transformer sees gets doubled (tubes are wired in parallel, which halves the total impedance). If you pull one tube from each pair, the tube impedance now doubles. To keep the same ratio at the output transformer, you plug into the output that is half of what your cab is (because that output is now double what it is labeled.).

The output transformer is still going to see a 4 ohm load in this case, but the tubes are going to see half of what they should. It would be like plugging a 8 ohm cab into the 4 ohm out if using all four tubes. The frequency response will get shifted somewhat.

To put it another way, your speaker load doesn't decrease by pulling tubes. A 4 ohm load is still a 4 ohm load. The load on the tubes however is going to be less than desirable.

But again, give Mesa a call to find out for sure.
 
mikey383 said:
When you pull tubes, the plate impedance the output transformer sees gets doubled (tubes are wired in parallel, which halves the total impedance). If you pull one tube from each pair, the tube impedance now doubles.

Doh! That's what I meant. My bad.
 
From the owner's manual... "The TREM-O-VERB is not very sensitive to speaker mismatches and will not be damaged by them, except that very low ohmage loads will cause the power tubes to wear faster."

So it's fine to run a 4-ohm cab from the 4-ohm output with two tubes pulled, even if it's really equivalent to a 2-ohm load with all four tubes in. You'll just wear the two tubes a bit faster, that's all. It might also sound more saturated, but if you want to reduce the power to get more of that cranked-up sound at lower volume that might be a good thing.
 
Alrighty, well i decided to forget that and just stick 4 el34s in it.

im in heaven! with 4 6l6s it was sort of loose and "flubby" i guess would be a good word for it? it sounded good when i would chug the A string, but the E or dropped to D just didnt sound good, then i understood why people have problems with these amps and the "loose distortion". Well the el34s really really brightened it up, i switched them in, made a few EQ changes, wow!

now, new issue. When i have El34s in it, i turn it up to lets say 9:00 on the master, it sounds like the rectifier tube is clicking, like a very high pitched bell click everytime i hit the strings. And after playing for about 15 minutes i noticed the volume swell, and it stayed up. Is this new tubes needing to be broken in, or is there some sort of problem going on? Im worrieda bout the rectifier tubes making that noise, it doesnt sound good.
 
fluff191 said:
mikey383 said:
When you pull tubes, the plate impedance the output transformer sees gets doubled (tubes are wired in parallel, which halves the total impedance). If you pull one tube from each pair, the tube impedance now doubles.

Doh! That's what I meant. My bad.

It's all good mang ;)
 
been runnin my trem o verb with 2 tubes into 8ohms with 8 ohm jack for 16 years! no problem!
 
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