PSA MKIIC+ head on ebay (not mine)

[jerseydrew]

I just saw this on ebay. It's not mine nor do I know the seller. I just thought I'd do a "heads up", for anyone over here.

Any thoughts?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330125979100&fromMakeTrack=true

 

[jerseydrew]

What does PSA stand for?

Public Service Announcement

 

[sundaypunch]

I would bet that the amp still has the original tranny. For the cheap price listed on the mod. I'm sure there was no new transformer included.

If I were buying it I would rather the amp had been left alone.

 

[sundaypunch]

Well he had to replace the 60/100 OT for it to become simul but you knew that! . I just had the simul mod priced and today Mesa does a simul mod using the 562004 OT for $300. So two years ago the price being $200 doesn't really indicate a 562003 was used. They also used to do C to C+ mod for $300 a years ago this years it's up to $400. Inflation and demand I guess.

That's what I don't understand. The Mesa invoice only shows $13.25 for parts, $75 for labor, and $200 for MB's time. Where does the proper tranny come from? The guy selling it doesn't seem to know anything about transformers.

 

[JOEY B.]

Look closely at pictures 10,11 and 12 of that auction. On page 12 in the labor section, you will see MESA/ MB. When Mike does certain upgrades, he will request a check or money order made out to him personally. This was the case with my MkI reverb upgrade. There appears to be a $200 money order paid (MO #320704) with the rest paid on a Discover credit card, as per page 11. It might explain why there is no transformer on the invoice, as per page 10. It does not guarantee WHICH transformer is in this amp. Ready to roll the dice? :wink:

 

[immersed]

does the OT really make that big of a difference in tone. do you have to run 2 34's and 2 6l6's or can you run 4 6l6's with tis amp. i want to buy it and i have plenty of money to do so. what do you think is the most to pay for this amp?

 

[sundaypunch]

The $200 Mesa charged likely included the OT. The $300 they charge now includes an OT.

The Mesa charges are $75 labor, $13.25 parts, $37 shipping. The $200 is a MB charge. If MB does the mod. for $200 and that includes an OT that sure doesn't leave him much profit. He's making very little for his time.

 

[sundaypunch]

does the OT really make that big of a difference in tone. do you have to run 2 34's and 2 6l6's or can you run 4 6l6's with tis amp. i want to buy it and i have plenty of money to do so. what do you think is the most to pay for this amp?

I won't speak for Boogies, but with vintage Fenders, Marshalls, etc. the OT is one of the single most important components in the amp when it comes to tone (and value).

We are getting back into the "player vs. collector" argument, but when you start swapping out trannies you are altering the originality of the amp. You need to make the call on whether an original C+ with a recent Simul mod. has the same value as an original C+ Simul. At $1000 it probably makes no difference. At $2500? In this case we don't even know what tranny is in there.

This amp isn't one I would be interested in personally other than at a good price. It's a modded amp with a recent transformer. If I was going to pay retail it would be for an original Simul. amp. As I said in a previous post I would much rather the guy had just left the amp alone. That's just me, I know that others don't care.

 

[visualrocker69]

What would it take to identify what tranny he has? Could we request that he takes the appropriate measures to inform us? A good seller would do that...

Edit: All it would take is a call to Mike B, no?

 

[Boogiebabies]

Look closely at pictures 10,11 and 12 of that auction. On page 12 in the labor section, you will see MESA/ MB. When Mike does certain upgrades, he will request a check or money order made out to him personally. This was the case with my MkI reverb upgrade. There appears to be a $200 money order paid (MO #320704) with the rest paid on a Discover credit card, as per page 11. It might explain why there is no transformer on the invoice, as per page 10. It does not guarantee WHICH transformer is in this amp. Ready to roll the dice? :wink:

Ahh, you have discovered Mike's secret stash.....

Back in 05 I spoke to two people who landed a 562003 either from Mesa or a Mesa distibutor in Europe.

 

[Shep]

so you are saying that MB has a stash of 562003's and in doesn't even tell people that there amp has been fitted with one.. wow..crafty..


And what about those mk III blue stripe floating around with the 562003 trannys.. just butcher one of them for one.. but those mk III's are the nicest sounding..

 

[sundaypunch]

You would think that the seller would be willing to look at the number on the tranny if he was serious about selling the amp.

Has anyone just asked him to look? Seems simple enough.

 

[Zoner]

Please, dear Lord, let's not start some kind of "you gotta have the 562003 tranny or your amp sucks" rumors. Please? How many of you pros or bedroom/recroom/barband ******s can honestly tell the difference between what freakin' flavor transformer is in your Boogie!! Maybe a little tighter, maybe a touch more headroom; whatever. Enough! If anyone buys a MKIII to rip out the tranny so they can swap it into their MKIIC+, I will personally kick you in the balls. Hard. Maybe more than once. This microscopic dissection of every little component in an effort to determine who's Boogie is the "best" must end immediately. IMMEDIATELY! You are now ALL ordered to go forthwith and with great haste to your guitar and plug in, enjoying whatever incarnation of Boogie goodness you have on hand, and cast aside any notion of "tranformer envy". Or else you will all be forced to surrender your Boogies and forever plug only into a vintage solid-state Crate. With a Stagg guitar and unshielded cable. ENOUGH!!!! Z

:evil: :evil: :evil:

 

[jerseydrew]

Zoner, I agree with you on everything, but you're forgetting one thing. MONEY. Everything, and I mean everything comes down to money. If the MKIIC+ comes with the "right" transformer, it's worth more money.

 

[Zoner]

Well, if it's strictly down to $$$, which is better - 100% stock or modded with the gooder tranny? What would the cork-sniffers say either way? I don't think robbing a MKIII and swapping trannies will matter as much to the people who want the most original pieces and will pay the top $$$ (unless you lie to them about the mod), so an extra wicked kick in the nuts to those guys who do it just to try and get more $$$ at resale for sure. Do it for tone? I'll still kick, just not as hard or as many times :wink: Z

 

[jerseydrew]

ending in a few hours

 

[lesterpaul]

anybody here get this???2600 bucks,I believe

 

[JOEY B.]

anybody here get this???2600 bucks,I believe

How much did I say it would go for? :lol:
Makes the coliseum seem like a bargain, aye.

 

[jvk]

I'm selling a 562003 if anyone's interested.