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Ok I own serveral tube amps, one a peavey triple xxx, and two Mesa triple rectifiers, Line 6 HD100 Head. I have a bunch of pedal effects, my question is and maybe im doing something wrong here, why is it that when I pinch a string and bend it, it is so hard to get a pinch harmonic, and when I do it is so flat and no sustain thru a tube amp, but when I do the same thing on many digital solid state amps, I get amazing pinch harmonics with great sustain, and tone?? All of my tube heads I have the gain turned up hi,, Any info on how to solve this problem would be appreciated. :)
 
Too much gain on a tube amp will actually make it more difficult as it will compress the signal. You need to find the right balance between gain, pre amp and power amp levels especially at lower volumes. As you turn up louder use less bass and less gain. In my experience Boogies sound better with the output higher than the channel master and with the mids not too low. I always find harmonics easier in Vintage mode rather than Modern on a Recto.
 
I dont use the output loop section, I run all of my pedals in the front of the amp, bypass loop on, so I only use channel master volumes. Should I engage the loop section, do you think that will help?
 
harmonics dont just happen. You know how there are natural harmonics on the 4th,5th,7th,and 12th frets?. The exact same thing applies to pinch harmonics. With your picking hand you need to find the right spot for each note that you are fretting. pick harder and touch the sting softer. hope that helps
 
Well I would agree if it was thru all amps. But I usually hit the same spots when it comes to pinch harmonics and thru my line 6 flextone HD head, I can get them super easy all over the place. On tube heads not so good. I do have an older Mesa Triple recto dual channel, I put my pedals thru the loop as suggested and played my Ibanez with EMG's vice my Jackson with duncan distortion in bridge, and I can get some good pinch harmonis on that head and that guitar combo.
 
Perhaps ss amps are able to make more gain and distortion without going to pieces like a the older more technologically inferior tube amps would.

My recto can only have so much gain until all the crazy oscillations start to happen and it sounds like a bunch of squirrels suffering.

You could always get a pedal or use emgs which is kinda similar in a way.
 
hmm i think your doin something wrong there buddy. If you cant pull pinch harmonics on a tube amp than your doing something wrong or theres something wrong with A) your amp B) your tubes C) your guitar.

check your intonation and make sure your guitars setup proper it will make your harmonics sound a ton better compared to a guitar without a setup.

try to drive the front end on your amp more, either by way of an overdrive, hotter pickups (emgs are my preference) or by gettin hotter tubes for your preamp. But yeah this is the first time ive heard of someone having trouble with pinchharmonics with a tube amp, I've honestly never had problems gettin squeelies out of any of my amps, though I'd have to say my solid state amps don't respond as well as the tube amps i own.

again setup up your guitar first then look into pickups tubes or an overdrive pedal
 
Well I just got back my Jackson soloists, plugged into tripe recto with channel 3 on, gain at 2 pm etc. Going straight into amp. I can get some harmonics to squel out but its just not as clean and brite with sustain as in my line 6 head. Now I plug same guitar into Line 6 head and man oh man, i can them even by accident , all over the place, very nice. The Mesa Triple is brand new. The other Triple dual channel is old. But at lower volumes it seems to do better. I also notice that in the new head with some effects such as a reverb pedal or delay, I can hit some better sounding and sustain harmonics. Both guitars are using SDuncan Distortions in the bridge. Jackson by far better for harmonics. Strat, flat and not everywhere, so I agree on the strat, I have to take it in again for a new setup.
 
I think most bands who use pinch harmonics frequently also use some kind of a booster pedal (tubescreamer etc.).
 
Hey man, what do you hear when you do the pinch harmonic? Do you hear it at a very low volume? or do you hear an awfull one wiht no sustain? or what?

Wich pickup are you using? in which position? how much volume and tone on the guitar knobs?

The easiest way is with a high output pu, full volume, full tone, bridge position... (FULL DISTORTION!!! :twisted: ). Try to adjust these settings and to move your hand farest and nearest from the bridge pu.

Digital amps do not interact to much with changes in the guitar (volume, tone, hand position, etc). Thats why it might be easier...

And believe me, I have nothing against digital amps, they have done alot of good things for me. But pinch harmonics sounds way better in a tube amp than in a digital amp.

For me is actually easier to do a good harmonic with a VOX AC30 and a tube screamer than with any Line 6 High gain amp simulation (pinch harmonics sounds awfull on digital amps).

(Forgive my english, it is not my native language)
 
you need to perfect your technique .i can pull off pinch harmonics on an acoustic :twisted:
 
I can pull off a pinch harmonic on a banjo, while having a gun in the head and a girl doing me a blow job...

:twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
 
moguelator said:
I can pull off a pinch harmonic on a banjo, while having a gun in the head and a girl doing me a blow job...

:twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
..lol....yeah i didnt mean to sound like a dick its just so easy to do once you get it :D
 
livewire78602,

ANIMATED SUSPENSION gave some good advice, though I would add that the reason you so easily get pinch harmonics with digital/solid state amps and pedals is precisely because those devices heavily compress the signal. Or, more precisely still, because those devices limit the signal. Many, if not most, solid state and digital compressors these days also include a limiter, which functions the opposite of a compressor.

Compressors do not allow the signal to spike above a certain threshold. Limiters do not allow the signal to dip below a certain threshold. This means that weakly executed pinch harmonics will still ring out loudly. This is why such devices can become a crutch to playing, and tube amps have a reputation for requiring better playing technique in order to make them sound their best.

Line 6 amps and POD's have copious amounts of gain, compression, and limiting. This is why the effortless harmonics on my POD XTLive don't necessarily translate to my Mesa Triple Rectifier quite so easily. A real amp makes you work for it, but rewards you with much better tone that Line6 just hasn't been able to duplicate yet.

Simply running your tube amp's gain higher and higher won't make up for a lack of proper technique. In fact, I'd suggest you try the opposite strategy, since it worked for me years ago. Try switching to the clean channel and, with no effects at all, play your pinch harmonics. At first, it may be frustratingly difficult. After a while, though, your technique will improve dramatically, and not just with pinch harmonics. Your intonation, fretting, phrasing and vibrato will all jump in quality. In short, you'll be a much better player, no matter what amp you're playing through.
 
Well ok, but I agree on a few things again. Setup on the guitar is first Major issue. Ive been playing for over 20 years in misc band etc. I can get pinch Harmonics that I think sound good thru digital amps like super easy. On the Mesa triple recto, I am playing at a moderate to low volume, gain up hi, guitar volume and tone crank all the way up. Now I can hit the harmonic, its just not as bright and clear and full of sustain that it is in the Digital amp. Some guitars are better than others, I have 6 guitars. The best is my Jackson USA. It hits them everywhere up and down the fret board. Im talking pinch not natural. I dont have a problem with any Natural harmonic. But if I put in effects thru the Mesa and try the pinch harmonic, it sounds much better but still not up to the standards of the digital amp. Thru the Digital it will stay ringing till I let the note drop. Im going to try the Mesa at a louder volume and see if that help. I appreciate the comments so far.
 
livewire,

As I explained, that artificially loud and sustaining pinch harmonic through the digital amp is due to its compression and limiting. It's never going to be exactly the same through a tube amp unless you put a compressor/limiter in the loop (not in front, that won't do it).
 
Pinch harmonics and palm mutes = PP. If you want peepee, you want an overdrive. Otherwise, you get ****.
 
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