Nuno Tone Detail...HOW?!

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TremoJem

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How does Nuno get his tone.

Amp?
Pups?
Fingers?
EQing?

He has this clean overdrive that is very articulate and not hi-gain it seems.

Yet, he has very sensitive response it sounds like.

He also has this unbelievable neck single coil sound that is trebly, bassy and very fast or responsive and it just kicks my f'n aXX.

I want this tone so f'n bad. Is his guitar neck 21/22 fret which allows proper placement of the neck pickup when compared to a 24 fret neck and is he splitting the coil, cuz he don't have single coils on any of the axes I see him playing.

Anyway if anyone has a clue please share. Thanks
 
Which album/era of Nuno are you trying to achieve?

Every time I've seen Extreme live he's playing the N4 which are HH configuration.
 
Punchline...

Very real and simple, minus the flange etc.

All of it is percussive, tight, articulate and very responsive...much of that is his fingers.

But, the tone might be something we can have and find in our wallets, technique is not as easy to obtain if at all.
 
Just ran threw Punchline for a reference and it's completely different than the first 3 and even the latest Saudes De Rock. Very interested in what others come up with cause it's definitely not the MP-1.
 
The Vibroverb was on Waiting for the Punchline.

The first disc was a JMP Master Volume.

Pornograffitti was an ADA MP-1 through an old MacIntosh tube power amp, he used ADA power amps live. It also had some of the Marshall too.

III Sides had the ADA, Marshall, and a Soldano SLO on it too.

an old Rat pedal
 
Would using the compressor in the FXLoop (it is in my GMajor) with my Mesa Tremoverb help to get the percussive tight attack?

If so, I need to really study up and work with this unit, cuz it is kinda confusing in it's approach to compression.

Oh well.
 
gonzo said:
The Vibroverb was on Waiting for the Punchline.

The first disc was a JMP Master Volume.

Pornograffitti was an ADA MP-1 through an old MacIntosh tube power amp, he used ADA power amps live. It also had some of the Marshall too.

III Sides had the ADA, Marshall, and a Soldano SLO on it too.

an old Rat pedal


this is correct based on everything i have read over the years. guys like nuno just have their own "sound" pretty regardless of what they play thru....that's why whether he's using an ADA or a fender amp with a pedal it still "sounds like nuno".........you can always emulate your favorite players tones but as cliche as this is to say it is true......the majority of a guy like nuno's tone truly comes from their fingers.
 
Yeah, I totally get that, and I don't want to rip off his sound, I just want to play with that tone to get my own sound...it just really sounds simple and clean almost. I totally get that he could walk up to my rig and still sound like him without touching anything.

I suck.
 
start with the Bill Lawrence Wilde 500L.

i use one, and i love it.
 
in addition to the pickup just really listen closely to his tone.....my favorite tone of his is from 3 sides to every story.....that rhythm tone is very dry....little to no effect.......and the sonic spectrum is dialed in pretty even.

in other words the bass, mids and highs are all pretty equal....its not a big scooped tone......nor is it a shrill whiney tone either.......the key is dialing in the right amount of midrange to give it that "woody" in your face baseball bat tone.
 
Exactly!

That is why I have been approaching it with the GMajor EQ in the FXLoop.

I believe that I can get real close to the foundation of his sound.

I know all about the fingers and technique with regards to his tone being a big part of his hands...I WANT THE FOUNDATION HE HAS.

In other words I would like to walk into a room with an amp and guitar that has the foundation of his tone...if Nuno picked up the guitar it would have that throaty , baseball bat woodsy, tight, percussive sound...if I pick it up it would have it too, but I suck so I would not make it sound like him. I don't want to, I want to make it sound like me with my hands, but with his foundation.

After all the posts on three forums I think I have a real good start...two Tremeoverbs, Jem 7VWH, GMajor, etc.

I believe I have more than enough gain and control of the gain. I can use Diode Rectification for fast tracking. I can use Spongey for warmth and no ice pick in your face tone (correct me if I am wrong). I can use Vintage for the hi-gain for a smooth not over the top grainy tone, besides the detail of Nuno's tone strikes me as vintage anyway. Now I need to dial in the EQ and maybe, not sure, but maybe some compression on the GMajor.

PLEASE HELP IF YOU ARE THERE ALREADY.

If not I will post when I find the right frequency changes, as it will take time.
 
Here is the update.

If you search my posts you can see the changes I have made to my rig.

Here is a hi-level summary.

EQ using the Gmajor in the FXLoop.

Reduce 200Hz, increase 100Hz and increase 700Hz to 800Hz.

In the front of the amp I add a pinch of gain and 5db of 800Hz using my Radial Tonebone.

I have two Mesa Tremoverb Combo Amps and one 1990 Marshall 1960B 4x12 loaded with G75s. The cabinet is rewired, new switch plate and insulated...it sounds tight and full.

These changes along with letting the amps run by cranking them to very high levels has really changed my tone and playing style and now I have a hard time not playing at those volumes because the relationship the guitar has with the amps is crazy great.

SO!

Here is what I did with my Ibanez Jem 7VWH.

I played around with pick up height and ended up only raising the bridge pick up a little. I originally kept all the pick ups low to have a great clean sound. I found the right height to get more gain without sacrificing too much of the clean that I like and besides, I tend to use position 2, 3, and 4 for cleans anyway. This change made a big impact on tone, in my opinion.

I ordered CTS pots and measured them at 516K, which I felt was acceptable and used only one for volume.

I restored the wiring from a push/pull tapped humbucker scheme to the original Ibanez Jem wiring design and moved the volume pot to the tone pot location and eliminated the tone pot from the design.

My tone is now unbelievable!

It is everything I wanted and have been looking for.

Very open, clean, responsive, fast, percussive and tight, articulate and musical, and at medium to high volumes with the 4x12 it is thumping and crushing, without any harshness or ice pick tones. Harmonics are jumping off the neck, hell the guitar plays itself.

Using hi-gain (even though I backed that down a long time ago to get more note definition when playing intricate chords) is very musical and I have even more definition with chords...I might even increase it a little, but it is not necessary so I probably won't.

I have incredible sustain and usable harmonics and changing pick ups is very useful or I should say it pops a little more than before.

Let's face it this is a tone quest that really has been a great journey and before I did anything I had great tone. It is not like I had horrible unusable tone and nothing worked.

It is just that I was trying to hone in on something that I heard in my ear or head, and the LONG journey (that I am sure never ends, and you can chime in and agree or not...LOL) was a great love for me, as well as frustrating, but at the same time was a time of discovery and opportunity to learn and share.

So having said that, what does my tone sound like or what/who can I use to help describe what I feel and hear now.

O.K., so don't tear me a new A-Hole and read carefully so that there is no confusion.

I use these examples very carefully and don't want anyone to say "oh you should just by a marshall or yadda, yadda, yadda", as these are only examples that come to mind, and in no way does it sound "just like" these examples...but instead, have a likeness to them in some small way.

Here we go:

Yngwie Malmsteen
Nuno Bettencourt
Van Halen (first album)

Using the artists above and the aforementioned description should pull you a little closer to what I am hearing. I still have the Mesa Tremoverb signature tone and retain the Ibanez Jem 7VWH signature tone, but now they work together to sing a little differently with slightly different voicing or tone.

All I can say is that it is incredible. I can't hide my mistakes anymore, but I can hear what is happening and am correcting for those mistakes and playing better.

I even turned down last night and was able to play and enjoy it, albeit, I was itching to crank it, but I wanted to hear what if any restrictions a lower volume would place on me and there was none. I still had the great tone and inspiring feel that kept me playing for a long time.

I now work to get every note correct and since I can hear it, the effort is worth it, and not hard to do.

Oh, and check this out. Before these recent changes there was a sweet spot and a not so sweet spot to stand and play. The sweet spot was always twice as large as the not so sweet spot.

Now, the sweet spot is three times as large and all the room is a stage.

I consider myself lucky to have played a Tremoverb and a Jem back in 1990. It is a Mesa amp that is different from all the rest and I think it is that detail and design that lends itself to the tone I have now. The Jem is a different guitar from all the rest and believe me I tried them all.

I played the Tremoverb back in 1990 and bought my first one in 2004 and I never even demoed any other amp after the original 1990 demoing where I demoed them all including, Saldano, Vox, Orange, Marshall, etc.

Then 14 years later I bought two used ones...I will be buried with them both along side my Jem, which I bought new in the same year.

Thanks for all of your help and I look forward to your thoughts.
 
15" speakers also. They can be more percussive. I like He Man Woman Hater for the drum like mutes and chugs. I just can see strippers dancing to his hooky funk based riffs. He has a natural groove. Kinda reminds me of Rob Zombie - Dragula, or other metal stripper songs. It's a vibe. Warhead is another killer riff!
 

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