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[18&Life]

those differences aloud your brain to recognize 2 differents takesof the same stuff.
That's stereo.

 

[guitarmaster]

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[Platypus]

Let's start with an example rhythm guitar track we've recorded. We used one Shure SM57 Microphone on the amp, so we recorded the track in mono

And the track looks like this

When this is played back the sound will come out of both speakers, and if you're positioned equidistant from the two speakers, it will appear to come from directly in front of you. But suppose that isn't what was desired. Suppose on the imaginary stage I'm creating (The Stereo Field) I want the guitar to appear a little toward the left. I can alter the Pan

And her guitar will be pushed towards the left, i.e. louder in the left speaker than the right speaker. When all the other tracks are added this can help to create the stereo cues that the brain needs.

Suppose rather than pushing the guitar slightly to the left, I wanted a wider sound, one that appeared to be coming from the Left and the Right, it's... you're going to say it! ...shush! It's not much more complicated. First we duplicate the track (Make sure the track is selected and then use the Duplicate Track MenuItem)

I also like to rename my tracks so I can easily tell which is which ("L" for Left and "R" for Right)

Now copy the region into the second track by Option-Dragging the guitar region into our new track (see: Moving Regions for tips on accurate region moving)

Now we add the panning

And we have ... Stereo!

This is exactly what I was thinking when you posted the duplicate track feature the first time.. thanks a bunch for clarifying and for the picture diagrams, that was very thoughtful

So aside from the obvious recording hiccup, how does it sound?

 

[ToneAddictJon]

Or, you can always copy and paste the first take to a new track, offset it by 7-25ms, eq it a little differently and you have instantly made what sounds like a new track with a single take. I still prefer recording 2 seperate takes, but if you don't feel like playing the same part again (say it took 35 tries to get it perfect :wink: ) then that's an easy alternative until you have the time or feel it's time for the 2nd track. I wouldn't pan them hard left and right, I'd put them 50% right and 50% left, that way there's a bit of bleed in the middle and it sounds fuller.

 

[Platypus]

Or, you can always copy and paste the first take to a new track, offset it by 7-25ms, eq it a little differently and you have instantly made what sounds like a new track with a single take. I still prefer recording 2 seperate takes, but if you don't feel like playing the same part again (say it took 35 tries to get it perfect :wink: ) then that's an easy alternative until you have the time or feel it's time for the 2nd track. I wouldn't pan them hard left and right, I'd put them 50% right and 50% left, that way there's a bit of bleed in the middle and it sounds fuller.

Thanks for the advice, you guys are really helpful!

 

[18&Life]

Or, you can always copy and paste the first take to a new track, offset it by 7-25msr.

Doing that you will never have a stereo sound.
Just one guitar delayed .The second guitar will be always after the first one.

When you record two takes,the second guitar will be sometimes before,sometimes after tne fist one.This is stereo. :wink:

 

[guitarmaster]

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[ToneAddictJon]

Or, you can always copy and paste the first take to a new track, offset it by 7-25msr.

Doing that you will never have a stereo sound.
Just one guitar delayed .The second guitar will be always after the first one.

When you record two takes,the second guitar will be sometimes before,sometimes after tne fist one.This is stereo. :wink:

Stereo is actually a signal, not a recording, you can record a single take in stereo with 2 mics and have them both dead center in the mix. Recording 2 takes and offsetting them is just an effect, not actual stereo. You can have a mono track and put a stereo flanger, chorus, delay, phaser, etc... and it will still be stereo. Your talking about panning not stereo.

 

[18&Life]

You can have a mono track and put a stereo flanger, chorus, delay, phaser, etc... and it will still be stereo. .

No my friend this way you have stereo efx but a mono guitar sound.
If you put a stereo efx in a mono guitar sound,you will have a mono guitar sound with a stereo efx.Just it.

 

[18&Life]

The only thing wich aloud our brains to recognise a stereo sound are those little differences we make when recording 2 tracks of the same stuff.
Those little mistakes are the real stereo.

 

[ToneAddictJon]

actually, those 2 tracks are just multi tracking, multi tracking has nothing to do with stereo. you can multi track in mono. Stereo is taking and splitting the signal up into multiple speakers. You can have a mono recording ran in stereo. Your just talking about taking an already stereo signal and panning it within the field. Your not actually creating a stereo field by panning, your taking advantage of a multiple speaker array and sending signals with different strengths to different areas. You can have a stereo spread with a single guitar and amp as well if you have 2 speaker cabs seperated. Panning and stereo are 2 very different things. By adding a stereo field through fx to a mono recording does give it a stereo spread.

 

[18&Life]

I think you missed my point.
You have to record (not copy and paste tracks) 2 mono tracks of the same stuff.
Then pan them left and right.
Copy and paste tracks have nothing to do with stereo.
You have to record 2 guitars playing the same stuff.
All classes I did in NY about recording engineering and working for about 18 years in studios are backing me up.
I think you missed my point. :wink:

 

[ToneAddictJon]

I got your point
I was just saying multi tracking, panning, and stereo are all different things. Your talking about adding depth to a stereo field, not creating a stereo field. No disrespect intended, just in all the studios I've recorded in, all the books I've read, and all the classes I've taken have pointed to the fact that panning cannot be done if there is not a stereo field there. :wink:

 

[18&Life]

But my friend if you record 2 mono tracks,it's the same thing of having a stereo track already mixed.
2 monos panned hard = 1 stereo.
It's obviously
No disrespect at all,we are just talking about sound

 

[18&Life]

If I have 2 mono tracks recorded separeted,so I have 2 different audio sources = stereo.
I played and recorded 1.
Than I played and recorded another.
So 2 mono tracks panned hard is a stereo track.

 

[guitarmaster]

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[ToneAddictJon]

But, then your saying if you have 2 tracks panned it's stereo, so if you have a single track, copy and pasted to 2 seperate tracks and panned it's the same thing, and that was my point (i think, it's been a while and a page from the original point I was making :wink: ). 2 seperate recordings will always sound fuller and better (unless you can't play well and got lucky on one of them and other sounds like crap 8) ) than a single one spread out like that, but my point was you can always just do a single track, spread it out and add different fx or eq to each of them and you have the same effect of filling out the field. OK, I hope all this ranting and miscommunication helps the original poster Recording becomes as in depth as learning the instrument itself and there are so many different approaches to everything that there is no one right or wrong way, just different approaches.

 

[18&Life]

Ok I just tried to explain him how to make a mono guitar sound better.
I took some classes in NY about 15 years and I've been working with it for about 18 years.
I'm a guitar player.You can hear some samples of my music and my recording skills here SONGS AND TESTS post.
Not trying to scare plytpus,just trying to help him.
I think recording 2 tracks with the same stuff isn't difficult for anybody.
Is it ?

 

[18&Life]

But, then your saying if you have 2 tracks panned it's stereo, so if you have a single track, copy and pasted to 2 seperate tracks and panned it's the same thing, and that was my point (i think, it's been a while and a page from the original point I was making :wink: ). 2 seperate recordings will always sound fuller and better (unless you can't play well and got lucky on one of them and other sounds like crap 8) ) than a single one spread out like that, but my point was you can always just do a single track, spread it out and add different fx or eq to each of them and you have the same effect of filling out the field. OK, I hope all this ranting and miscommunication helps the original poster Recording becomes as in depth as learning the instrument itself and there are so many different approaches to everything that there is no one right or wrong way, just different approaches.

But I never said copy and paste trackings.I'm the one who said YOU HAVE TO RECORD 2 MONO GUITARs TRACKS TO HAVE A STEREO SOUND.
I said copy and paste isn't stereo at all.
We are saying the same thing :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[guitarmaster]

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