mk iv A lead?

[Shep]

is it true that a mk iv A's lead channel is very very close to a 84' IIc+?

I think this can become quite the debate....

I have to say yes....i get the Same lead tone as my friend...if not better...


wat do you think..

 

[ytse_jam]

preamp circuitry should be exactly the same, don't know about poweramp section.

 

[Shep]

yeah thats wat i thought...

 

[Boogiebabies]

 

[Shep]

whats does that mean?

because i really love the sound of the lead channel on mine mk iv..and noone believes me that they sound pretty close...

 

[Boogiebabies]

:?

 

[ytse_jam]

whats does that mean?

because i really love the sound of the lead channel on mine mk iv..and noone believes me that they sound pretty close...

Well, Mesa isn't selling mkIIC+ anymore, so they don't get profit from all the mkIIC+s which are sold today by privates (i don't think C+ mods are the main earning source at mesa 8) ). So, why should they be interested in not producing great amps like mkiiC+ anymore?there's no reason! i believe instead that mesa always wanted to improve mkIIC+'s tone introducing mkIII and mkIV amps. If they succeeded, well, it's REALLY only a matter of taste. If you ask me what i would rather buy betwean a IIC+ and a IV i surely would go for the mkIV, no doubt... even if they cost the same price. Imagine now that there are people selling their early 80's mkIIC+ at twice the price of a mkIV new... vintage lovers/collectors can continue spending $4000 for mkIIC+s, personally i'm searching for TONE and that's all.

edit: +1 for Boogiebabies post...

 

[Boogiebabies]

8)

 

[Elpelotero]

The output transformer is the 562004 and is from what I know, no different from the SC-152019B or the 562003.

Mike B told me this is a "yes." There was a revision made a number of years later that is the one that changed electronically. I'm at work now, but it think it was called 562004-R or -1 or something like that. The others, as noted, were just numerical cosmetics. So, in theory, you can get this old mk4 OT and make a c+ into simul and still have the correct pieces. And what's all this $4000 talk?? SHHHH!! You'll drive up the price by saying those kind of things! We poor people can only dish out so much at a time! How about we say things such as "the C+ is a horrid amp and I wouldn't pay over $300 for it." I want everyone to go on harmony central and post that right now.

 

[Boogiebabies]

 

[Nitrobattery]

I've played a Mark IIC+ through a Marshall 4x12 loaded with V30's (a buddy of mine has one) and while it sounded incredible....cranked up it didn't sound that much better than the Mark IV that I had at the time. With some tweaking and an external EQ...you can get a Mark IV to sound almost identical.

 

[Bullen]

Yes, I find that the same is true when it comes to the Mark III too, they can be tweaked to sound very close to each other.

I recently had a chance to compare my red stripe Simul-Class Mark III to a 100w IIC+ (with eq). And although I prefered the IIC+ for most sounds, I was pleasantly surprised that my Mark III could be made to sound very close. Perhap the most difference was that my amp has Simul-Class and te IIC+ didn´t.

 

[jay]

FYI THE GUY WITH THE WOODIE C+ GOT $3600 FOR IT.

 

[Elpelotero]

wow! really? i didn't see that sale end. (it must've been you!) jk.

 

[Stu Gutz]

I was speaking to Mike Bendinelli today about getting some work done on an amp and this topic came up. He told me something to the effect of; you can tweak a Mk III or IV to have a very similar voice as the Mk IIC+ but there is something about the *response* ( to the player's touch I guess ) of the IIC+ that is not the same. He doesn't know why.

Interesting.

 

[Boogiebabies]

483 Volts under load to the plates. It's got power to spare. It's about 40+ volts more than the III or IV. They have headroom to spare.

 

[Stu Gutz]

483 Volts under load to the plates. It's got power to spare. It's about 40+ volts more than the III or IV. They have headroom to spare.

That makes sense!

 

[Shep]

wow ..wat a amazing amp...it's l really just so cool that this little beast has created this amazing tone..