Mesa for metal
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Nitrobattery
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i'd check out a dc-5.
i used it on my band's cd. we're sending it out to be mastered, but you can here some unmixed clips here.
http://www.myspace.com/eminationmusic
here's also another clip of the dc-5
http://soundclick.com/share?songid=5302861
i used it on my band's cd. we're sending it out to be mastered, but you can here some unmixed clips here.
http://www.myspace.com/eminationmusic
here's also another clip of the dc-5
http://soundclick.com/share?songid=5302861
tunedown
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+1HalfDeaf said:
I completely agree. I also agree with what playdosboogies said: "There are much more agressive, TIGHTER, distorted, and powerful amps these days".
For Heavy low end and TIGHTER mutes, you don't need to look any further then a 5150. There are tricks to give a boogie those characteristics, but they certainly don't have them "out of the box".
tunedown
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LockStock said:
MetalMatt
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tunedown said:
A fully loaded Mark III runs circles around 5150's IMO.
soundpurist
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nqd said:
Want a simple amp? Single rectifier.
Want a tight sound, put less gain with a tube screamer in the front.
and if you want power just use a 2X12 cab along with the single rectifier.
If you can buy a used single rectifier, i think it's the best you can get for your money. It's very good for heavy modern rhythm but if you want lead sound it's better if you use an overdrive pedal over a low gain sound...
... IMPORTANT: with a noise gate pedal, IMHO the decimator pedal is the best. You can use it right after the overdrive since the gain is low on the amp. That was my 2 cents. :wink:
nqd
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ok thanks to anyone for the suggestion. now i got 3 options in mind
-Single recto/Tremoverb
-5150
-powerball
PS I know Bogners and Diezels and that kind of stuff but guys, im looking for somethin cheaper... i am lookin for a 4X12 or a 2x12 first...any offers lol?
BTW i got the ISP Decimator and is the best noise gate pedal IMO
-Single recto/Tremoverb
-5150
-powerball
PS I know Bogners and Diezels and that kind of stuff but guys, im looking for somethin cheaper... i am lookin for a 4X12 or a 2x12 first...any offers lol?
BTW i got the ISP Decimator and is the best noise gate pedal IMO
EirikBrandal
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I actually think the powerball is the **** for you. The 5150 is noisy, and the recto isn't that easy to handle. check out www.myspace.com/thesafetyfire for Powerball tunes
PowerBall is a pretty cool amp.
The more I use my Rectoverb the more I like it.
I've owned a 5150 (loved it but it was too limiting)
You may want to check out a JSX head as well. I love the one I have, with KT-77's in it you can the Ultra channel to get pretty heavy ( I use a boost in front as well). It's got a great loop a very good clean and the crunch channel for more moderate gain tones. It's a pretty flexible amp.
If you need a clean and you like the 5150 tone I'd look at a 5150 II (6505+), but I can get my JSX into 5150 territory pretty easy.
The more I use my Rectoverb the more I like it.
I've owned a 5150 (loved it but it was too limiting)
You may want to check out a JSX head as well. I love the one I have, with KT-77's in it you can the Ultra channel to get pretty heavy ( I use a boost in front as well). It's got a great loop a very good clean and the crunch channel for more moderate gain tones. It's a pretty flexible amp.
If you need a clean and you like the 5150 tone I'd look at a 5150 II (6505+), but I can get my JSX into 5150 territory pretty easy.
MusicManJP6
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Oddly enough I am getting a surprisingly good metal tone out of my F-30 clean channel with a Keeley MT-2 in front. It gives me solid bass (the real chunky/grinding kind you hear on Atreyu and Avenged Sevenfold albums etc) and enough compression and EQ tweaking ability to give you just about any metal tone you need. I've been very happy with it. The F-30 really covers mid-gain ground the best so the MT-2 gives me the modern 'ultra gain' tones I need at times. I also use my Keeley BD-2 (soon to be a Keeley SD-1 thanks to plan-x) for low gain and slight boost for CH2. I have a very nice tonal variety... Keeley pedals are the way to go!!!
EirikBrandal
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wonder if petrucci uses the keeley metal zone in his rhythm. I can't get his rhythm sound out of my mark IV
tunedown
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I'm going to say "O.K." because I accept that we're probably playing different styles of music or looking for different tones at different volumes. Also, because no two 5150s sound the same (that's annoying btw). The 2 that I'm familiar with are not "scratchy" or dry/cold as some have described them. (Their clean channel sucks immensely though)MetalMatt said:
Also, and this is purely subjective (so don't put me in front of the firing squad), a lot of people using 5150s are not quite as musical or specific about their tone (as the musician that runs a Mark III through a 4x12 of vintage 30s). It's not a difficult amp to "dial in" - you can get a passable hi-gain metal-ish tone by letting your 4-year-old play with the dials... A 5150 played by someone who knows how to use it and dial it in without cranking everything to 10 gives a very aggressive, shimmery tone thats plenty tight no matter how low you tune or how hard you mute...
But I'm not an idiot. (I promise)
...and I know that a 5150 is the poor man's Bogner/Diezel/ENGL/Mesa – but that's just the point. If I don't purchase a used 5150 for $750, my next step is a used DR (with loose low end) for $1200 or a used Mark IV for $1400 or a used ENGL/Bogner/Diezel for $1700...
Low end's important to me. Loud and low and tight low end, all at the same time, isn't easy for some heads. If I can get it for $750, why would I spend $1200+ to NOT get it?
I'm juss sayin'...
nqd
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EirikBrandal said:
ADDED :twisted:
tunedown said:
This is where us guitarists come to the obvious realization that there is no "best" amp out there,there is only what's best for you and what you like.Not to say there aren't real crappy amps out there.I've owned just about every brand out there and IMO they all have their goood and bad,but for some reason out of all of them I keep going back to Mesa,sometimes unintentionally,it seems like they fall in my lap when I'm not looking.So I'm probably going to let the gear god's have me this time and give in to the powers that be and stay with Mesa,the label that's looking at us right now thinks so too.I think you could get any decent metal tone from a Mesa and never want for power.Are there any bands that run straight through their heads?I don't know many.
tunedown
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Oh, that's interesting. I know many bands in more underground/"small scale" environments that run straight through their heads, but I don't know many "main stream" acts or stadium tours where the musicians plug straight in. Though I will say that I doubt that many of them run a lot of OD pedals (straight OD/Distortion) that don't color up their tone with some sort of crunch or added compression (like a blues driver, etc).powerlord said:This is where us guitarists come to the obvious realization that there is no "best" amp out there,there is only what's best for you and what you like.Not to say there aren't real crappy amps out there.I've owned just about every brand out there and IMO they all have their goood and bad,but for some reason out of all of them I keep going back to Mesa,sometimes unintentionally,it seems like they fall in my lap when I'm not looking.So I'm probably going to let the gear god's have me this time and give in to the powers that be and stay with Mesa,the label that's looking at us right now thinks so too.I think you could get any decent metal tone from a Mesa and never want for power.Are there any bands that run straight through their heads?I don't know many.
Am I way off base?
I get the feeling that most of those effects they'd be using are delay/echo style. Something that the amp doesn't/wouldn't have built in. I can/SHOULD get saturation and over drive from my guitar head. I can't get adjustable delay from it...
EirikBrandal
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For me, I don't think the lead channel on the Mark IV has enough saturation. It sounds very weak above the 7th fret. Therefor I almost have to use a distortionpedal to feed the sound
tunedown
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Hmm... I wish I was better with a Mark IV. Platypus taught me a lot about my Mark IV, He'd have some good advice for you (if he hasn't alreadyEirikBrandal said:
Maybe a better question is: What do you mean by Saturation? I hear that word a lot and I'm not sure I understand what every individual person means by it when they say it...
I think I'VE even used it and I only kind of had an idea of what I meant...
EirikBrandal
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something like the opposite of "thin" IMO
