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E.Q

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Hi!

I've searched the forum several times, but it seems like there are no discussions about the possibility to modify Mark V. How come?

Since a lot of players seems to think that the IIC+ mode on the V is less than satisfying, has anyone tried to make it sound like people expected when Mesa first launched Mark V?
 
But why? Sure, it's probably a hard amp to mod, but someone just have to apriciate the challenge? It's a great amp, with flaws, that probably could be dealt with?
 
The only modification that I would be interested in would be to raise the midrange frequency in the crunch mode of channel two, but even that is so minor that it's not worth the time or expense. Well, that and a stronger reverb for Crunch and Tweed. It's almost nonexistent in those modes.
 
That would be nice. I still think a lot of people would be interested in a mod that makes the C+ mode sound more lika an actuall C+...
 
Just a guess here but I imagine the complexity of the amp is outside the scope/comfortability of most modders. If you're going to soup up an engine you'd pick a Mustang, not a 300ZX.
 
SonVolt said:
Just a guess here but I imagine the complexity of the amp is outside the scope/comfortability of most modders. If you're going to soup up an engine you'd pick a Mustang, not a 300ZX.
True... It's a shame though.
 
EQ, you might wanna contact Anthony "the amp monk" in Austin. He's a certified Mesa tech and isn't scared to mess with Mesa stuff. If it can be done, I'm quite sure he can do it. Tell him what you want. I've had him work on quite a few Boogies and am very pleased with his work.
 
talltxguy said:
EQ, you might wanna contact Anthony "the amp monk" in Austin. He's a certified Mesa tech and isn't scared to mess with Mesa stuff. If it can be done, I'm quite sure he can do it. Tell him what you want. I've had him work on quite a few Boogies and am very pleased with his work.
Thanks for the tip man! :)

Problem is, I live in Sweden... I don't even own a Mark V, I mostly play my Mark IIC+ when it comes to Mesa. But I'm thinking about getting a Mark V in the future, mainly because I don't want to take the C+ on the road. The V is cool, but I think the C+ mode needs some tweaking before it nails it.
 
talltxguy said:
EQ, you might wanna contact Anthony "the amp monk" in Austin. He's a certified Mesa tech and isn't scared to mess with Mesa stuff. If it can be done, I'm quite sure he can do it. Tell him what you want. I've had him work on quite a few Boogies and am very pleased with his work.
Thanks for the tip man! :)

Problem is, I live in Sweden... I don't even own a Mark V, I mostly play my Mark IIC+ when it comes to Mesa. But I'm thinking about getting a Mark V in the future, mainly because I don't want to take the C+ on the road. The V is cool, but I think the C+ mode needs some tweaking before it nails it.
 
this was posted on the Marshall Forum and I wanted to post my reply here.

Question; completely off-topic but there's a thread going on over at the Boogie Board about the lack Mark V mods available and someone posted that "Voodoo" amps won't touch a Mark V. Is that because the amp is so complex it makes modding difficult?

This is a difficult topic to address for a variety of reasons. Let me preface this by saying I have no desire to post anything negative about any manufacturer. I do not look at this business as competition and as such I am often called on to consult or to aid in designing by other amp/product companies. IE: we tend to see factory defects before they are common knowledge and if we have a working relationship with a company I provide our findings along with a resolution. I also aid in various stages of design, etc. Our choice to not work on the Mark 5 series does not relate to its complexity. We routinely work on products that are equal or more complex in design. IE: Military products, Neve / SSL consoles, etc.

Modding the Mark 5 - We were asked to design a transformer Upgrade for the amp. The amp arrived to us brand new in a box. After testing all features the reverb circuit stopped working. Once I tracked down the problem, reviewed the datasheet for the component that failed, etc I realized that if I installed the same component that the problem would reoccur. Upon doing the necessary research I ordered a component with improved specs to avoid future failures in that section of the circuit. It should be noted that shortly there after Mesa released a tech bulletin to all authorized servicer centers to resolve said defect (good on them).

Upgrading Transformers – Upgrading transformers is not something I would recommend as you need to have a high level of experience with this as well as specialize tools (short of taking the entire amp apart). The Mercury Magnetics transformer set sounded amazing (truly it did) however on average it takes 1.5 hours to change a transformer set and the Mark 5 takes 8 hours. I cannot in good conscience charge a player for 8 hours of labor to install a transformer set.

Retubes & Service – The Mark 5 is not what I consider to be an easy amp to work on / service. I would suspect that other techs have arrived at this conclusion, hence the lack of Mods being offered for this model. I have always had a hard time charging a customer noticeably more money to service / retube an amp, which is directly related to the additional time required to disassemble/reassemble the amplifier. IE: factually a majority of musicians are not rich and as such no one wants to get hit with a costly service / repair bill. IE: the amp sounds the same but you have a costly repair bill (which I imagine most of you can relate to--lol).

Having said that let me say this; To be fair Mesa is in business to make money and to make a profit they have to be able to manufacture a product in timely manner. It is not up to Mesa to make my job easier (lol) and I get that. I would also like to point out that Mesa is not the only MI manufacturer to experience a factory defect. Point of fact we’ve seen factory defects by every major manufacturer.

I am not posting to disrespect Mesa (or any other manufacturer) but rather to address your question and at the same time offer an explanation as to why we do not wish to work on the Mark 5 model. We service and Modify a great deal of Mesa models and very much enjoy doing so. Mesa makes a good product and in that respect offers more in terms of quality compared to other brands selling products at the same price points.


With respect;
Trace
 
Thanks for the reply Trace, you guys do great work - I didn't mean it as a knock when I said you guys (also mentioned FJA) wouldn't mod them - thanks for the insight on the reasons behind the mod market on the mark v being non-existent
 
exbest182 said:
Thanks for the reply Trace, you guys do great work - I didn't mean it as a knock when I said you guys (also mentioned FJA) wouldn't mod them - thanks for the insight on the reasons behind the mod market on the mark v being non-existent

I did not take it as a knock exbest182. As a link was posted on the Marshall Forum over to this thread I felt it might be good to also post here as well.


Thanks and have a great weekend!
Trace
 
voodooamps said:
this was posted on the Marshall Forum and I wanted to post my reply here.

Question; completely off-topic but there's a thread going on over at the Boogie Board about the lack Mark V mods available and someone posted that "Voodoo" amps won't touch a Mark V. Is that because the amp is so complex it makes modding difficult?

This is a difficult topic to address for a variety of reasons. Let me preface this by saying I have no desire to post anything negative about any manufacturer. I do not look at this business as competition and as such I am often called on to consult or to aid in designing by other amp/product companies. IE: we tend to see factory defects before they are common knowledge and if we have a working relationship with a company I provide our findings along with a resolution. I also aid in various stages of design, etc. Our choice to not work on the Mark 5 series does not relate to its complexity. We routinely work on products that are equal or more complex in design. IE: Military products, Neve / SSL consoles, etc.

Modding the Mark 5 - We were asked to design a transformer Upgrade for the amp. The amp arrived to us brand new in a box. After testing all features the reverb circuit stopped working. Once I tracked down the problem, reviewed the datasheet for the component that failed, etc I realized that if I installed the same component that the problem would reoccur. Upon doing the necessary research I ordered a component with improved specs to avoid future failures in that section of the circuit. It should be noted that shortly there after Mesa released a tech bulletin to all authorized servicer centers to resolve said defect (good on them).

Upgrading Transformers – Upgrading transformers is not something I would recommend as you need to have a high level of experience with this as well as specialize tools (short of taking the entire amp apart). The Mercury Magnetics transformer set sounded amazing (truly it did) however on average it takes 1.5 hours to change a transformer set and the Mark 5 takes 8 hours. I cannot in good conscience charge a player for 8 hours of labor to install a transformer set.

Retubes & Service – The Mark 5 is not what I consider to be an easy amp to work on / service. I would suspect that other techs have arrived at this conclusion, hence the lack of Mods being offered for this model. I have always had a hard time charging a customer noticeably more money to service / retube an amp, which is directly related to the additional time required to disassemble/reassemble the amplifier. IE: factually a majority of musicians are not rich and as such no one wants to get hit with a costly service / repair bill. IE: the amp sounds the same but you have a costly repair bill (which I imagine most of you can relate to--lol).

Having said that let me say this; To be fair Mesa is in business to make money and to make a profit they have to be able to manufacture a product in timely manner. It is not up to Mesa to make my job easier (lol) and I get that. I would also like to point out that Mesa is not the only MI manufacturer to experience a factory defect. Point of fact we’ve seen factory defects by every major manufacturer.

I am not posting to disrespect Mesa (or any other manufacturer) but rather to address your question and at the same time offer an explanation as to why we do not wish to work on the Mark 5 model. We service and Modify a great deal of Mesa models and very much enjoy doing so. Mesa makes a good product and in that respect offers more in terms of quality compared to other brands selling products at the same price points.


With respect;
Trace

Great post, thanks a lot!

Very unfortunate, to me the V is indeed a great amp, but lacks that certain something.
 
E.Q said:
Great post, thanks a lot!

Very unfortunate, to me the V is indeed a great amp, but lacks that certain something.

I see you are in Sweden, if you like you can email me and I can consult with you on how to increase the midrange more to your liking ([email protected]). Those kinds of things are easy to do and do not require removing the PCB's, etc. You could take the amp to a local tech to make the changes or do the work yourself if you work on amps/can solder.

EDIT: As we were getting emails asking for help with Mods I wanted to clarify that I am more than happy to consult with those who want to work on their own Mark 5's and/or repair/service techs however consulting on Mods leads to several emails back and forth and/or phone calls, which in turn takes time away from paying customers (lord knows we aren't getting rich doing this--lol) and as such we do need to charge a consulting fee to help cover the time we are spending.


Many thanks & have a great day! :)
Trace
 
voodooamps said:
E.Q said:
Great post, thanks a lot!

Very unfortunate, to me the V is indeed a great amp, but lacks that certain something.

I see you are in Sweden, if you like you can email me and I can consult with you on how to increase the midrange more to your liking ([email protected]). Those kinds of things are easy to do and do not require removing the PCB's, etc. You could take the amp to a local tech to make the changes or do the work yourself if you work on amps/can solder.


Many thanks & have a great day! :)
Trace

Thanks, I appreciate it very much! :)

I might just do that when I buy one! :D
 
A user selectable switch to either use or bypass that capacitor on the eq section for the iic+ mode.
 

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