Local dealer tells me not to buy a Boogie!

[JoeEllison]

three, new boogies are wildly non-plug'n'play, and the versatility you get from them is frankly beyond most players' ears.

The "other" store I went to, Lipham Music in Gainesville(as long as we're naming names), the sales guy came in, seemed to know his way around the amp, and helped me dial in some really decent tones. And he didn't tell me how crappy the amp was, either.

 

[jdurso]

he's had a kid come in once and crank the gain, the bass, the treble, the MV and the OUTPUT!!! within about 10 minutes the amp started smoking.

No offense, but isn't that a product defect?

well the amp wasn't new out of the box... probably has been there for a while... but correct me if i'm wrong, if i through my master volume and output up to the max won't i blow something aside from my ears?? a tube, a fuse, output transformer?? he told me when he went in there the amp was smoking and the whole room smelt like burning.... so could it be a defect? sure.... but whole in there right mind turns up both MV and Output all the way... my point was as many good musicians have touched that amp, atleast 3 times as many who don't know what they're doing around a $1700 have played through it..... i've witnessed with my own eyes some kid go to a VHT UL that wasn't plugged into the wall or a cab... take a power chord off the amp next to the UL put it on the UL and then went to turn it on... luckily there was a guy looking at him step up to a $2500 amp and try and figure out how to set it up and caught his hand before he did any damage.... sometimes i thinks its just better to find a good seller on a forum like this then to go to GC and buy a "new" that has about 50-100 hours on it... :?

 

[JAZZGEAR]

he's had a kid come in once and crank the gain, the bass, the treble, the MV and the OUTPUT!!! within about 10 minutes the amp started smoking.

No offense, but isn't that a product defect?

Yeah, a mental defect :roll:

 

[jdurso]

ha.... i believe thats just about what came out of my buddy's mouth... he was ready to rip that kid a new one... especially since he's a boogie guy.... who does that with any amp and how could he stand it for 10 minutes?????? :shock:

what could he possibly desire from doing that and for 10 minutes!!!!


i should find out what ever came of that amp.... i think he bought the cab and replaced the speakers for cheap.... maybe thats the secret... get one of your friends to go and blow up a cab... go in a while later and offer to buy it and see how far down they'll go.... if the price is right pick yourself up some speakers on craigslist or a forum and bam new boogie cab...... hmmmmm :twisted:

 

[JoeEllison]

No, seriously... if you can turn the knobs that way, shouldn't the amp be designed to handle it? It seems like it should be able to handle it, period. If it can't, there's something inherently wrong with the amplifier.

 

[JOEY B.]

ha.... i believe thats just about what came out of my buddy's mouth... he was ready to rip that kid a new one... especially since he's a boogie guy.... who does that with any amp and how could he stand it for 10 minutes?????? :shock:

what could he possibly desire from doing that and for 10 minutes?

Send that kid to Alabama and I'll pay him $100 if he can sit in an isolation room with my friends' C+ Coliseum (super-duty goofy Boogie :wink: ) and a couple of halfback cabs for 10 minutes with his hands tied behind his back. Of course, I will be working the controls while my friend will punish him with harmonic overtones. He will run home crying to mommy, or have severe hearing damage, for sure :twisted: . What a retard.

Spinal Tap flashback- "But these all go to eleven."

 

[Elpelotero]

three, new boogies are wildly non-plug'n'play, and the versatility you get from them is frankly beyond most players' ears.

The "other" store I went to, Lipham Music in Gainesville(as long as we're naming names), the sales guy came in, seemed to know his way around the amp, and helped me dial in some really decent tones. And he didn't tell me how crappy the amp was, either.

holy sh!t, you've been there!!?? I live 5 minutes from that store. I do agree, they got a nice Mesa selection and the guy knows his way around them. He has several Mesa's of his own.

 

[jdurso]

well i see your point but i think is to handle having multiple cabs hooked up (i'm just brainstorming)..... i can see maybe turning up the volume up high if your using the output as your volume like i do.... but the output was probably designed to go that high for hooking up multiple cabs.... it makes sense that whne you have multiple cabs hooked up to the amp you can turn the output up higher as transormer will be loaded enough by the cabs to handle that much power going through it... again its all speculative on my part


none the less..... there is probably a practical reason for the design but who the hell turns the output up all the way? just doesnt make sense to me

 

[JoeEllison]

holy sh!t, you've been there!!?? I live 5 minutes from that store. I do agree, they got a nice Mesa selection and the guy knows his way around them. He has several Mesa's of his own.

Heck, I guess we're almost neighbors! It is 2 hours away, but my wife had some business at the hospital there, so I've been a few times this summer.

Are you looking forward to their expanded store?

 

[JoeEllison]

none the less..... there is probably a practical reason for the design but who the hell turns the output up all the way? just doesnt make sense to me

Yeah, it seems stupid, but... on the other hand, it wouldn't be impossible to build a circuit that cut out or blew the fuse before the amp started smoking, you know what I mean?

 

[Elpelotero]

holy sh!t, you've been there!!?? I live 5 minutes from that store. I do agree, they got a nice Mesa selection and the guy knows his way around them. He has several Mesa's of his own.

Heck, I guess we're almost neighbors! It is 2 hours away, but my wife had some business at the hospital there, so I've been a few times this summer.

Are you looking forward to their expanded store?

I just found out about it today when i stopped by to get a cable. Send me a PM next time you're in town and maybe we can set up a jam.

 

[JoeEllison]

I just found out about it today when i stopped by to get a cable. Send me a PM next time you're in town and maybe we can set up a jam.

Absolutely... certainly, when I get my amp it won't be from the Daytona creep. So I know I have at least one more drive that way in my future.

 

[jdurso]

ha.... i believe thats just about what came out of my buddy's mouth... he was ready to rip that kid a new one... especially since he's a boogie guy.... who does that with any amp and how could he stand it for 10 minutes?????? :shock:

what could he possibly desire from doing that and for 10 minutes?

Send that kid to Alabama and I'll pay him $100 if he can sit in an isolation room with my friends' C+ Coliseum (super-duty goofy Boogie :wink: ) and a couple of halfback cabs for 10 minutes with his hands tied behind his back. Of course, I will be working the controls while my friend will punish him with harmonic overtones. He will run home crying to mommy, or have severe hearing damage, for sure :twisted: . What a retard.

Spinal Tap flashback- "But these all go to eleven."

i've never laughed so hard at a forum post...... how about instead of harmonic overtones your buddy plays some minor seconds ala lamb of god "11th hour" or better yet let's get the guys from dillinger escape plan to come play 43% burnt or mullet burden.... haha.... one of the guitarists from DEP actually worked at that GC with my buddy.... maybe we'll get that kid back in there and get the guy from DEP and we'll see what blows first... the amp or the **** out of the kids ***

 

[jdurso]

none the less..... there is probably a practical reason for the design but who the hell turns the output up all the way? just doesnt make sense to me

Yeah, it seems stupid, but... on the other hand, it wouldn't be impossible to build a circuit that cut out or blew the fuse before the amp started smoking, you know what I mean?

absolutely.... hey randall if your reading you should look into this... make it kiddy proof.... but seriously in good design whether its amps or programs you have to build that in

 

[Elpelotero]

I just found out about it today when i stopped by to get a cable. Send me a PM next time you're in town and maybe we can set up a jam.

Absolutely... certainly, when I get my amp it won't be from the Daytona creep. So I know I have at least one more drive that way in my future.

You wouldn't be the first boogieboarder to have a go at the pre500's and C+. I recommend you wait on buying anything until you hear what these can do The C+ will make your jaw drop, and it's not even at 100% capacity. I have to give it new tubes, an EQ, and a couple of mods to get it sounding its best.

 

[JoeEllison]

absolutely.... hey randall if your reading you should look into this... make it kiddy proof.... but seriously in good design whether its amps or programs you have to build that in

Not so much "kiddie proof", but what if you decide that cranking everything sounds best, or the output is accidentally cranked?

No amp should start smoking under any condition that is caused only by maxing out the knobs.

 

[jdurso]

absolutely.... hey randall if your reading you should look into this... make it kiddy proof.... but seriously in good design whether its amps or programs you have to build that in

Not so much "kiddie proof", but what if you decide that cranking everything sounds best, or the output is accidentally cranked?

No amp should start smoking under any condition that is caused only by maxing out the knobs.

true but as a programmer and IT support i hate when people do stupid things to already well designed products..... yes the design can always be improved but when the cause of the issue is that ridiculous i can't help but shake my head and wonder what they were thinking..... there are accidents out there but its really hard in my book to accidentally turn up both the MV on the channel and your output.... i guess i'm a little harsh but in a situation like that i dont think its faulty design... its faulty use.... and people shouldnt be that stupid.... just mu opinion

 

[nathan28]

three things--

one, new boogies are brutally expensive compared to marshalls.

two, new boogies are pretty much the most complex tube amps ever made, so there's more things to go wrong. There's definitely something to the whole "floor model" thing because practically every Boogie I have played in my local store has SOMETHING wrong with it, but every fresh-out-of-the-box one has been perfect.

three, new boogies are wildly non-plug'n'play, and the versatility you get from them is frankly beyond most players' ears. My buddy and I, who are both pretty experienced tweakers, spent two hours dialing on a Roadster 2x12 in the store with one guitar and really only got one of the four channels to "OMG!!!!" and another to "wow, great tone." by contrast, you plug into an orange or a single-channel soldano and you have the one good sound it does right away. Even worse, you take a Line6, plug ANY guitar into it, and it sounds exactly like Linkin Park on an IPod-- so, must be good, right...?

Just stupid, go play through your line 6 and spare us your gayness.

 

[jdurso]

so is he trying to say linkin park through a ipod sounds good??? L6 has only one good product in there line which i think they'll ruin if some day, that being the vetta..... but seriously if you mean to tell me that you dont have to spend as much time if not more on a L6 product to get a good sound you either:

1. are deaf and interperate the sounds through feeling the vibration in your feet or

2. you haven't tried to make a L6 sound good... I owned a vetta for the last 2 years and its a great amp... the best L6 has.... the unfortunate thing is once you know hwo to tweak it (which takes a few weeks to do well) it still requires a lot of time and sometimes extra equipment to get a truely great, organic-like tone

that being said it is much much much easier to get a good tone out of a boogie... yes even the mark iv..... the more time you spend on a boogie the better it gets IMO

This kid was just an idiot and thought that boogie worked the same way as his 15 watt ibanez amp that only sounds good when cranked.... and mind you that may be the difference... a lot of those little cheapo amps dont have both volume and output controls... maybe his logic was his little cheapo amp sounds great when cranked 100%... maybe if i crank the volume and output it will sound 100 times better.... not so much

 

[phyrexia]

in the year I have worked at my job, I have seen more Marshalls come back for work than Mesas.

I am still waiting to hear one of these North Alabama IIC+s. I'm beginning to doubt they exist.