I learned a little something about the upcoming NAMM

[phyrexia]

It will be interesting!

 

[dmcguitar]

i hate when you do this....


so mesa has things planned for namm? last year at this time this board was buzzing with Mark rumours... and there was the hint of other things.

how about you let us ask question and you answer what you can... i'll start with
"is it going to make current owners mad / dissapointed?"

 

[Jacko123]

Mark VI, VII and VIII ++

 

[b0nkersx]

"is it going to make current owners mad / dissapointed?"

+1 =P

 

[GIG4FUN]

told ya long ago

C+ re-issue haha

 

[GIG4FUN]

Mark VI, VII and VIII ++

sounds like peavey products. LOL

 

[phyrexia]

I just meant us as guitar players.

Peavey = buying Mesa. This is even in light of their offer to buy Gibson after the FBI raid, which is supposed to happen too.


haw haw :lol:

 

[MesaGod666]

told ya long ago

C+ re-issue haha

Two words...BULL ****.

 

[GIG4FUN]

told ya long ago

C+ re-issue haha

Two words...BULL ****.

Could you imagine how that manual would read!

 

[phyrexia]

told ya long ago

C+ re-issue haha

Two words...BULL ****.

Could you imagine how that manual would read!

...

Greetings from the Tone Farm! Randy has decided that the last ten years of his life have been wasted, and started over about June of last year! We hope you're happy with the new amp!

hah right

 

[MesaGod666]

told ya long ago

C+ re-issue haha

Two words...BULL ****.

Could you imagine how that manual would read!

It would probably read something like this:

"Greetings from the Tone Farm!

You are now the proud owner of a one-of-a-kind reissue of the legendary classic Mesa/Boogie Mark IIC+! We are confident that this amp is sure to sully those proud Mark V douchers as you have spent in upwards of $4K for this one-of-a-kind reissue..." and so on and so on.

I would be hard pressed to take Mesa seriously if Mesa actually produced a faithful reissue of the Mark IIC+...especially after the over-the-top sales pitch on the Mark V.

 

[CoG]

my guess is that they need to rein in the amount of inventory they are trying to push out to retailers who don't have the cash flow to buy it

1. Ditching the Express or outsourcing it to China and dropping the price point

2. Ditching the Rec Solo/Tverb/Rectoverb

3. Ditching the Triaxis, Rec Pre, and all the poweramps

4. Road King and Mark V going special-order only/some sort of program to increase "factory-direct" ordering for several of the amps

 

[MesaGod666]

my guess is that they need to rein in the amount of inventory they are trying to push out to retailers who don't have the cash flow to buy it

1. Ditching the Express or outsourcing it to China and dropping the price point

2. Ditching the Rec Solo/Tverb/Rectoverb

I can see this happening (no so much ditching the RECTOS because that's BIG $$$ for MESA)...but

3. Ditching the Triaxis, Rec Pre, and all the poweramps

4. Road King and Mark V going special-order only/some sort of program to increase "factory-direct" ordering for several of the amps

NO WAY! The Triaxis, Rec Pre, and all of the poweramps are special order anyway (at least that's what my rep at MESA keeps telling me). I just updated my rig with all new MESA gear (2 Triaxis and new 2:Ninety) and it all had to be built. They don't keep any of that stuff as on hand inventory because those amps take more time and manpower to build, yet they are still backordered for 6 months. The ROADKING and MARK V are workhorse amps that semi-pro and pro players, with a knack for MESA tone, will for sure have in their arsenal. I don't see MESA ending those lines anytime soon...in fact, I would be surprised if MESA didn't double down on the RECTO line to beef up their MARK V inventory, but again it all comes down to distributors with enough cashflow to afford the extra MARK V inventory.

 

[CoG]

The thing is if semi-pro/pro guys want an RK or Mark V they could order one under a slightly different business model, but an RK (and probably a Mark V as of next year) can sit for a loooong time on a showroom floor without generating a sale just because the sticker's so high. They wouldn't end the lines, just not force stores to stock them and only have them in showrooms in big stores in like LA, NY, Chicago, Toronto, etc.

The reason you might ditch the Rec Pre and Triaxis is that they have a lot of relatively unique components (the Rec Pre apparently has weird stereo pots and a Triaxis is, well, a Triaxis) and don't go out the door in big numbers. So even when they do a run of them every six months it's probably a small run and the margin's not great, especially if they are running out of a backlog of parts they bought years back.

But I'm just throwing stiff out there because I don't give a rat's *** about C+ reissues and whether the Mark V sounds like a C+ or not :lol:

 

[MesaGod666]

The thing is if semi-pro/pro guys want an RK or Mark V they could order one under a slightly different business model, but an RK (and probably a Mark V as of next year) can sit for a loooong time on a showroom floor without generating a sale just because the sticker's so high. They wouldn't end the lines, just not force stores to stock them and only have them in showrooms in big stores in like LA, NY, Chicago, Toronto, etc.

Ok. Not sure where you're going with this. As far as I know, the Mark V is MESA's the best selling amp this year. Dealers can't keep them on the shelf. It's been MESA's best production offering since the RECTO came out in the 90's.

The reason you might ditch the Rec Pre and Triaxis is that they have a lot of relatively unique components (the Rec Pre apparently has weird stereo pots and a Triaxis is, well, a Triaxis) and don't go out the door in big numbers. So even when they do a run of them every six months it's probably a small run and the margin's not great, especially if they are running out of a backlog of parts they bought years back.

Those amps are all CUSTOM orders and the runs are always small (usually less than a hundred). I think the runs for the Triaxis are once every eight weeks (and they take three to four weeks to build).

 

[CoG]

Ok. Not sure where you're going with this. As far as I know, the Mark V is MESA's the best selling amp this year. Dealers can't keep them on the shelf. It's been MESA's best production offering since the RECTO came out in the 90's.

Yeah, that's why I think late next year demand is going to drop way off once most of the guys who want and can afford one have one. It's a hugely expensive item that was hyped like crazy and people pre-ordered the crap out of it. That level of interest won't be sustained simply because the sticker price is so high.

Those amps are all CUSTOM orders and the runs are always small (usually less than a hundred). I think the runs for the Triaxis are once every eight weeks (and they take three to four weeks to build).

That's the point. If they are custom orders and don't build that many of them their input costs on them are going to be higher. It's more expensive per unit to build a few of something than a bunch, especially if you don't have the inventory of parts lying around.

 

[MesaGod666]

Yeah, that's why I think late next year demand is going to drop way off once most of the guys who want and can afford one have one. It's a hugely expensive item that was hyped like crazy and people pre-ordered the crap out of it. That level of interest won't be sustained simply because the sticker price is so high.

I think that would be true if the sticker price was more around $4K(USD). $2K(USD) for a Mesa Head is appropriate and competitive considering the value. If demand tapers off and plateus (which it will), I expect the price to stay where it's at and they'll cut back production. Mesa doesn't ever drop their prices, but I would be very surprised to see them significantly raise the price of their products in a depression.

I would be more worried if I were a hardcore fan of Diezel, Hughes & Kettner, or some other luxury high-end amp manufactuer. I think Mesa is in good shape in regards to their competition. Plus, we don't know what exactly will happen next regarding the economy. It's all speculation unless something actually happens.

 

[phyrexia]

China! :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[Turumbar82]

China! :lol: :lol: :lol:

OMG they are outsourcing to china aren't they???

 

[MrMarkIII]

China! :lol: :lol: :lol:

OMG they are outsourcing to china aren't they???

Not everything. The handles and corners will still be made in Indonesia. :lol: