howdy everybody, quick question about my dual rec.

[mateswithbears]

hey guys im brand spankin new here on the boogie forums and ive owned a dual rec solo head for about two years now. After looking at thousands of youtube videos and settings ive still yet to unlock the full potential of this amp. I play mostly metal ( maiden, metallica, megadeth, etc.) but the rhythm tone ive been trying to achieve is that of the band evile. I know these guys use peavey amps but i saw them using some dual and triple recs in studio. The tone is obviously high gain, but what makes it different from say that of metallica is a small "twang" (i dont know another word for it) in the single notes.

I have a jackson RR5 with seymour duncan pickups. JB bridge and Jazz neck i believe.(the same guitar the rhythm guitarist for evile uses).

a mesa 2 x 12 cab

and an ibanez ts-9. and other random distortion pedals.(boss, zoom, digitech, etc.)

check out the songs "Killer from the deep" and "enter the grave" ( the riff at around 4:03 demonstrates the "twang")

any advice would be much appreciated.

 

[fluff191]

I am pretty sure the amps on those recordings are not Rectos. I am almost certain those are something in the Mark series like a IIC+ or Mark IV.

The In-Studio vids show a Recto present, but they seem to be using a Marshall JCM900 for alot of the recordings.

 

[mateswithbears]

any idea on how i may be able to replicate that tone? Or get something that may be in the same ball park? I know the difference between mesa and marshall is night and day. Im just trying to find a good heavy tone without having the lame fizz ontop of the channel 3 gain. Right now im using the channel 2 vintage setting for both my rhythm and lead tones because it doesnt produce as much "fuzz" as the 3rd channel does. But in doing that im sacrificing the top end and a certain amount of gain that i think i need.

 

[fluff191]

any idea on how i may be able to replicate that tone? Or get something that may be in the same ball park? I know the difference between mesa and marshall is night and day. Im just trying to find a good heavy tone without having the lame fizz ontop of the channel 3 gain. Right now im using the channel 2 vintage setting for both my rhythm and lead tones because it doesnt produce as much "fuzz" as the 3rd channel does. But in doing that im sacrificing the top end and a certain amount of gain that i think i need.

Man if that is indeed the tone you are going for, you are going to be hard-pressed to get it out of the Recto.

You really need to start with a Mark IV or something like that.

Example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpWULOhw5lo


A typical # Channel Recto tone example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgGnWufCjso


Very different beasts indeed. Just sounds like you want the Mark-style tone to me. Thats all.

 

[bermuda_]

I would also like to point out that this is also a typical Recto tone too, but It's a tone I really like.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQSPu9nrL1A

 

[ibanez4life SZ!]

Those tones really scream boosted Marshall IMO. I watched a live rehearsal of one of their tones on youtube...they were running Randalls.

A Recto could pull it off...it's a very versatile amp, but it won't be the easiest task.

- EL-34s in the power section...a MUST for these type of tones.
- I'd personally also use something a little hotter in V1 of the preamp...I like the Tung Sol 12AX7...it will give you a little more compression and kick.

As for settings, bass low, mids high, treble high, and presence to taste. Gain probably around 2 o'clock IMO. Bold and Diodes for sure (you might want to try spongy if you're playing loud enough...might get a little of the string twang in there). Modern or Vintage will have to be up to you. Vintage might get you there with a boost, but I think modern can do it.

Another option is to boost with your TS-9....gain off, level max, and tone neutral. From there, you'll have to re-EQ the amp a bit...I'd first try this in spongy, and see if you can get it tight enough...if not, off to Bold.

Two final things to mention:
-To get anything close to this from a Recto, you're going to have to push it. You're going to be very hard pressed to get these sort of tones out of it at low volumes.
-Technique, technique, technique. If you're not a clean player, there is NO way this is going to happen with a recto.

Give it a try...if you can't do it, the Mark IV or Stiletto will get you much closer to that territory.

Eric

 

[mateswithbears]

thanks for the detail Eric! Ill definately try running my 3rd channel modern with some high gain. Spongy should also help with the fizzyness problem. Ive never tried turning the drive down on my ts-9, what does turning the volume up and the drive down do to the amp exactly? How will turning the volume on my pedal up affect my distortion?

The tone im really looking for doesnt have to really replicate evile, but it more importantly has to eliminate the lame fizzyness that rectos are famous for, I usually run the vintage setting on channel 2 just to not have the fizzyness, but the distortion just isnt there for me.

 

[ibanez4life SZ!]

You want to run the overdrive as a clean boost, otherwise, you're looking at even more fizz.

On the pedal, gain off is a good place to start, with the gain on the amp at around noon (channel 3 modern)....from there, push the level on the pedal up until you get the saturation and compression you want. I go anywhere between noon and full on.

It's obviously a balancing act between the amp gain and pedal gain, but you'll find a medium that works for you.

Eric

 

[mateswithbears]

You want to run the overdrive as a clean boost, otherwise, you're looking at even more fizz.

On the pedal, gain off is a good place to start, with the gain on the amp at around noon (channel 3 modern)....from there, push the level on the pedal up until you get the saturation and compression you want. I go anywhere between noon and full on.

It's obviously a balancing act between the amp gain and pedal gain, but you'll find a medium that works for you.

Eric

ill give it a go and tell you how it goes. Im pretty confident that with a little help this amp will ****** rip.