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For all of you potential Roadster owners, or those of you that have heard that Rectos aren't that versatile, check this video out. This guy has some great videos of his Roadster in action. Very versatile and a great overall sound.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PH5JQ4EXqB4
 
fluff191 said:
Wow those tones are with Greenbacks as well. That guy is a Hell of a player.

You're right, those are Greenbacks. This guy definitely has his tone down. People should listen to this entire video. Just awesome tones with his Roadster, Stratocaster, Greenbacks, and a Boss delay.

Unbelievable!
 
damn. if you had blindfolded me and told me to guess what i thought hat amp was, i'd probably say marshall or something.

speaking of which, it seems to me that mesa, despite how big of a name they are, are kind of the unsung heroes of guitar amplification. i've heard lots of stories about how so many big names play concerts and tours with dummy marshalls on stage for the rock n' roll look, and then backstage they have hidden boogies that they play through that no one sees - leading a lot of people to believe that many of the classic tones they've heard came from marshall when that may or may not be true. apparently Angus Young even used Boogie poweramps around 1990ish. my whole world felt turned upside-down when i heard that. :cry:

i just cant stand hearing people rip mesa apart because all they've heard from them is the 90's dual rectifier sound, so they assume that's all they know how to do.
 
rocknroll9225 said:
damn. if you had blindfolded me and told me to guess what i thought hat amp was, i'd probably say marshall or something.

speaking of which, it seems to me that mesa, despite how big of a name they are, are kind of the unsung heroes of guitar amplification. i've heard lots of stories about how so many big names play concerts and tours with dummy marshalls on stage for the rock n' roll look, and then backstage they have hidden boogies that they play through that no one sees - leading a lot of people to believe that many of the classic tones they've heard came from marshall when that may or may not be true. apparently Angus Young even used Boogie poweramps around 1990ish. my whole world felt turned upside-down when i heard that. :cry:

i just cant stand hearing people rip mesa apart because all they've heard from them is the 90's dual rectifier sound, so they assume that's all they know how to do.

True points. I don't get how Mesa is ripped on by a lot of guitar players. Their amps nowadays are more versatile than ever. That video goes to show that even some of the inner divisions between Mesa fans really come down to personal tastes. I often will hear things like, "the Roadster is too dark, or the Mark V is too tight, the Stiletto is too bright, this amp is best for this, etc ..." Personally, I've spent a good amount of time with the Roadster and the Mark V and find both amps to be equal in being good tonal options for various musical genres. Back in the day, Mesa made some great high gain amps and clean amps, separately, each serving fewer and more limited purposes (unless of course you were highly original and could cop many desirable sounds from their earlier amp's limited tonal offerings). I really feel that the Lonestar was a turning point for Mesa, and really helped them create amps that are great dirty and clean and everything in between. Listening to Quentin Hope of Andy Timmons is a perfect example of how good their clean tones are nowadays. There is little gain to hide behind -- just pure, good tube tone.

There will always be people who make assumptions about Mesa that are not qualified by real experiences that serve to clutter internet forums and confuse prospective buyers. Case in point, my Roadster took me a LONG time to figure out, learn, and feel comfortable with. That is probably the biggest challenge for newcomers to any of Mesa's offerings. They are complex and dynamic. Most of the good clips online show off the Roadster's high gain capabilities, but rarely the amp's other options so clearly.

In the hands of someone who can actual play, Mesa's in general (and Roadster's in particular) are capable of many great tones. Yes, Roadster's are naturally darker -- but dialed in correctly, they don't have to be. Turn up the treble some, set the presence and gain accordingly, and roll down the volume knob on your guitar a touch and I really feel that any player can get the Roadster to fit appropriately in any mix. To me, its nice to have that type of warmth right off the bat.

Mark V, Roadster, Stiletto, Royal Atlantic, ED -- its all about what inspires you to play and buy one. They are all great, versatile amps, voiced to adhere to the many instinctual leanings that all players have gravitated to. Being a '90s baby, the Recto has always spoke to me in ways other amps don't. The Roadster gives me the flexibility to have the Recto sound, with other sounds that I also have come to desire to a lesser degree.

The best reason to post a video like this one is that the amp's capabilities speak for itself. This is a clear video of the amp, in a mix, playing a variety of different musical styles from different points in history. I've read the pros and cons about the Roadster, with some of the critiques seemingly coming out of "left field" per say. This video, IMO, clearly dispels some of those erroneous judgments. Is the Roadster a great live amp, with versatility to boot? Clearly it is. Is it a substitute for other specialized amps, in terms of studio work and audio recordings? Maybe, but probably not for some players in studios where there is a collection of historically great amps. The question then becomes, what are you going to by using the amp for? Recording or playing out? For the gigging musician, the Roadster is tough to beat.
 
rocknroll9225 said:
... my whole world felt turned upside-down when i heard that.
Well, the Aussies are in fact upside-down... aren't they! :wink:

and BostonRedSox; you're right on the money!

nicke
 
This is proof that greenbacks are awesome! This is also proof that the guitarist makes most of the tone, much more than the guitar, pickups, amp, speakers, tubes, etc.
 
YellowJacket said:
This is also proof that the guitarist makes most of the tone, much more than the guitar, pickups, amp, speakers, tubes, etc.
+1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

i personally believe that the order of how much each component affects tone is (roughly):

player's skill
preamp
speaker
poweramp
pickups
guitar's build quality/acoustics
cab's build quality/acoustics
strings
pick (i think that how the player attacks the string with the pick is more important than the pick itself)
cables

fluff191 said:
rocknroll9225 said:
Apparently Angus Young even used Boogie poweramps around 1990ish.

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAT?!?!?!?!
:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:
i know. that's exactly how i felt :(
 
Thought you guys may enjoy this. Probably a little brighter than some of you like, but I think it has a "Pulse" era Gilmour-ish tone to it with the Raw Mode on the RK II...V30's and Greenbacks:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLD625XdrQo
 
Wow, Greenbacks really seem to be the way to go. I would really like to hear them vs V-30s, under similar settings.
 
Greenbacks tend to be creamier and with more cone breakup than the v30s have. If you run the bass too hot and crank your amp, you'll hear the low end start to fart out like crazy with these buggers. The v30s sound much more tight, constricted, and constipated. You really have to crank the v30s to get them to open up. Tonally, these two speakers are not the same but they are still quite similar. I still think I prefer a mix of v30s and greenbacks to all greenbacks, but I'm not quite sure. One thing I will say, I'd never run a quartet of v30s. The upper mids are simply too harsh. They need to be tempered with something, whether it be a G12H 30, G12T 75, G12K 100, or c90.


rocknroll9225 said:
YellowJacket said:
This is also proof that the guitarist makes most of the tone, much more than the guitar, pickups, amp, speakers, tubes, etc.
+1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

i personally believe that the order of how much each component affects tone is (roughly):

player's skill
preamp
speaker
poweramp
pickups
guitar's build quality/acoustics
cab's build quality/acoustics
strings
pick (i think that how the player attacks the string with the pick is more important than the pick itself)
cables

Hmm, which gear is most important in a signal chain is kind of like saying 'which came first, the chicken or the egg?'

I personally think that cab design is hugely important, as much so as the speaker. A terrible cab can make a great speaker sound terrible. I put an English made g12m 25 reissue in a peavey bandit 112 extension cab and it sounded like ass. I also swapped my stock Gibson pickups for Bare Knuckle pickups, but it wasn't until I swapped the stock electronics for 500k CTS pots and Paper in Oil Capacitors that the sound of the guitar really opened up in an astounding way. The trouble with pickups is that you can have the best pickups in the world, but they won't make a crappy guitar sound good. They'll make it sound 'better' but it will still be bad. Conversely, a great guitar needs great electronics or there's no point!
 
YellowJacket said:
Greenbacks tend to be creamier and with more cone breakup than the v30s have. If you run the bass too hot and crank your amp, you'll hear the low end start to fart out like crazy with these buggers. The v30s sound much more tight, constricted, and constipated. You really have to crank the v30s to get them to open up. Tonally, these two speakers are not the same but they are still quite similar. I still think I prefer a mix of v30s and greenbacks to all greenbacks, but I'm not quite sure. One thing I will say, I'd never run a quartet of v30s. The upper mids are simply too harsh. They need to be tempered with something, whether it be a G12H 30, G12T 75, G12K 100, or c90.


rocknroll9225 said:
YellowJacket said:
This is also proof that the guitarist makes most of the tone, much more than the guitar, pickups, amp, speakers, tubes, etc.
+1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

i personally believe that the order of how much each component affects tone is (roughly):

player's skill
preamp
speaker
poweramp
pickups
guitar's build quality/acoustics
cab's build quality/acoustics
strings
pick (i think that how the player attacks the string with the pick is more important than the pick itself)
cables

Hmm, which gear is most important in a signal chain is kind of like saying 'which came first, the chicken or the egg?'

I personally think that cab design is hugely important, as much so as the speaker. A terrible cab can make a great speaker sound terrible. I put an English made g12m 25 reissue in a peavey bandit 112 extension cab and it sounded like ass. I also swapped my stock Gibson pickups for Bare Knuckle pickups, but it wasn't until I swapped the stock electronics for 500k CTS pots and Paper in Oil Capacitors that the sound of the guitar really opened up in an astounding way. The trouble with pickups is that you can have the best pickups in the world, but they won't make a crappy guitar sound good. They'll make it sound 'better' but it will still be bad. Conversely, a great guitar needs great electronics or there's no point!
ya im not trying to downplay the importance of the ones i put further down the list, as i think that almost all of them are very close in importance; that's just an approximate hierarchy according to my experience (which i'll humbly admit is probably far less than yours, im only 18 :oops: ). for example, i wouldnt say that the preamp has a necessarily exponentially greater significance than everything below it, but i think that it is the most responsible after the guitar player's hands, if only by a small margin.
 
rocknroll9225 said:
...according to my experience (which i'll humbly admit is probably far less than yours, im only 18 :oops: ...

Don't let that knock you! People don't think about it much sometimes, but a good chunk of their favorite albums we're probably made when the the artists we're only 18-21 or so. I know that's the case for me. Sabbath's first handful, Metallica's first few, Maiden's first few, etc...some of my all time favorite albums, made by 18 year old's. I still put on old UFO albums and adore Schenker's tone, phrasing, etc...and he wasn't even 18 on some of those recordings... 8)
 
Nice post. It's cool seeing people play an amp in a quiet room, but the true test is how it sits in the mix. Sounded pretty damn good to me.
 
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