Electra*dyne stuff...

[LnTh]

"I hear ya bud - the down side though is that for the punters at gigs, having pretty much the same tone all the way thru can get very samey and .....yes.. boring for some. That doesn't mean you need 67 different varieties. But a few different flavours adds variety IMHO. Also depends on what kind of music you're playin."

I agree. I play in a cover band and need many different tones. I use a homemade distortion pedal to drive the Fat Clean mode on my Ace. Sort of gives me a "medium gain 3rd channel" to get a middle of the road overdrive that some songs require (blues for example). 8)

Cover band is a VERY different story. What I'm saying goes for people who play their original music.

I'd kill myself before I play covers though I hate it.

 

[Jak0lantern01]

Some people don't have the time or can't find the right mix of players to work on originals only. Trust me, it's been tried. It's hard enough to get people to agree on what covers the cover band should play.

 

[nomad100hd]

I wont play in a cover band either except to network. It is very hard to find the right mix of players for music.

 

[dodger916]

Yeah I should say that I'm not that anal about pristine cleans. I don't like fendery chimey super clean cleans anyway. I like the whole concept of having one tone and being able to play your whole music by just changing your guitar volume/tone, playing dynamics and how hard you hit the strings. I feel like that adds soul to what you're playing..

But I understand it's not for everybody's style and taste. Some people just have to have 45 different sounds and just get there with a hit of a footswitch. There was a time when I did that but I just grew away from it really fast. I felt like it was taking away from the feel of the whole guitar playing. No offense to anyone.. It's all my opinion..

That's why no more switchers for me. Ever.

I hear ya bud - the down side though is that for the punters at gigs, having pretty much the same tone all the way thru can get very samey and .....yes.. boring for some. That doesn't mean you need 67 different varieties. But a few different flavours adds variety IMHO. Also depends on what kind of music you're playin.

I guess the question comes down to how different are the footswitch-able operating modes of this amp (Classic Boogie Clean, Vintage Low Gain, Vintage Hi Gain). I was hoping someone would have demo'd it at NAMM.

 

[Barry]

Its always interesting how people put down cover bands . Just about every great band started out playing covers and its also where they got their influences from .

 

[nomad100hd]

sounds like someone has a sore spot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I get influence from listening to music.

 

[Barry]

I thought thats what i said . You listen to other people and become influenced by it and it comes out in your playing . Its how your style is developed . Even if you dont go out and play the covers you are influenced by them . Ive played both . I dont mind playing covers . I usually put my own spin on them anyhow .

 

[Barry]

I agree, song selection is important especially when you are doing covers . The good thing is, you have alot to choose from .

 

[Silverwulf]

In regards to one channel, I could manage. I think most people could if they tried. In my last band, I played a gig with one channel on a 2 channel Recto (footswitch short left me with one). We were a cross between old school and modern metal, and I played everything from clean sections, heavy rhythms, solos, etc. With my one channel, Maxon OD808 pedal, and volume knob on my guitar, I got through the show and covered all the tones I needed.

As to covers...I'm not knocking cover bands at all, but I don't want to play in one. I only do all-original stuff, though we'll toss in a cover to round out a set on occasion. Some people love cover bands, others don't. It can definitely be frustrating trying to find a group of like minded musicians to do something original. I guess it all varies depending on the area you're from. I think I'm fortunate to be in a music market that's flooded with musicians (DC area).

There's always guys looking to do originals here, and a few Craigslist ads will have people beating down your door. When we replaced the bassist in my old band, we tossed up a couple CL ads and had 12 auditions in a month and chose a guy. When my band before that needed a drummer (replaced one twice), I think we had less than 2 weeks downtime each time before we already had him replaced and were working in the new guy.

Old band finally fizzled out after 2 years, me and a few guys decided to get another going. Tossed up some ads, and we're already rolling again and getting ready to sign the lease on a practice spot for our new band this week. Wasn't that easy in some other places I've lived, so I'm sure location is half the battle.

 

[Old BF Shred]

Its always interesting how people put down cover bands . Just about every great band started out playing covers and its also where they got their influences from .

I believe this observation is spot on....Interesting how this thread evolved into this. Not that it's a bad thing. On the contrary; I find it interesting how diverse people's opinions are.

I truly believe that forcing yourself to learn (and accurately play) songs from other bands forces you to take on styles, licks and techniques that don't automatically come naturally to you as they likely did for the original artist. The more artists you cover, the more diverse and well rounded your own style will become.

I tend to write songs based on what I know (I believe most of us do this).

The more covers I force myself to learn, the larger base of knowledge I can draw from when writing. Case in point: I have friends that have an all original band (In fact we share the same bass player) Problem is all their songs have the same basic hooks and licks....can sure tell it's them. Not that it's a bad thing, but even our bass player will tell you that he has grown more as a musician since being in a cover band, learning many other people's styles. 8)

Ironically, playing originals is the only real way to make it to the "Big Time".

Doing covers is not easy....nor is writing a no. 1 hit.
I'm sure we all wish we could do both easily.

 

[nomad100hd]

i can say i'm better than my friend who wont learn covers. I just play covers for practice generally!

 

[Barry]

I respect people doing originals and obviously if you are trying to get a recording deal you must have a collection of your own songs . Ive been in the business for 35 years in different levels and consider myself lucky to still be doing it . Its a luxury . Im doing covers now and still get lots of gigs , besides they dont sign old dudes to recording deals ! It also pays for my affliction, GAS !

 

[srf399]

I played covers for many years... I also played originals. I played in an area that, to play 6 nights a week you had to play covers or be fired. The trick was to have originals that sounded as good and packed the dance floor as good as the covers.

Having said that.... My personal feeling was that when Van Halen played "Pretty Woman" he didn't copy Roy Orbison's guitar players sound.... When he copied "You Really Got Me" by the Kinks.... He used his own "brown" sound. For me I had my own sound.... I used my sound on "EVERY SONG I PLAYED" because the most important thing to me is this.... And "guys" and "gals" ..... if there is one concept in all of music it is this....

And I did NOT come up with this saying but it is so true and I live by it ALWAYS.....

And I quote.....

"You need to have a style of playing and a sound that if your Mother heard it on a recording... she'd know it was you"

If your mother heard a recording... would she say "that is my kid playing"

If your playing does that... then you have your own style.... That... is the MOST IMPORTANT CONCEPT IN MUSIC.

Doesn't mean you're playing is any good... But if you can be unique you have a shot and being a legend.

Now... for me personally... I can do ANY cover tunes... OR originals with 3 sounds.... That's it!!!! I can get them on a single channel amp OR a dual channel amp. Doesn't matter what your sounds are... or what the original guitarists sounds are.... In fact I would suggest to politely ignore the original guitarists sound and come up with your own sound. Every song... even a cover is an original if you play your own creative parts using you unique sound and style. Capture the general context and then expand. Van Halen made many memorable recordings trumping classic tunes. He even whalopped Sammy Hagars "I can't Drive 55" Live with his own sound and style. Covers are a chance to create and blast away the original guitarists solos!

I once played a particular artists cover tune and whailed with my sound and my style.... only to find out on the next break that the guitarist for the particular artist was sitting and watching. He came to me and complimented me on my sound and playing. I'm not bring this up to pat myself on the back but to stress this point.... you're you.... I'm am me.... Be yourself and be proud of it! Play originals AND covers as YOU... not the original artist.

Now.....

To me If I have 3 WORLD CLASS sounds... I'm there


To me.... they are:

1. Super Clean... Fender but with a nice break up.... right on the edge of clipping

2. Smooth Crunch... classic rhythm sound but smooth

3. High Gain lead sound .... Cross between Alan Holdsworth and Eric Johnson.... Violin smooth..... legato


Those are it for me.... My personal preference. Yours can be totally different. The Stiletto pulls it off for me... The Mark IV did not.

My curiosity with the Electra Dyne is this.... How does this amp do Marshall with 6L6 tubes? I'd like that answer.

 

[srf399]

I'm thinking of starting a resort....

This is my concept:

A resort.... Swimming pools... tennis courts... beaches.... Casinos.... AND...


EVERY AMP EVER MADE!

You bring your wife... kids and your favorite axe!

They go to the pool.... or beach while YOU......plug in to any amp ever made.....

There are stages and you pick the amps you want to try and have at er! The studio musicians playing with you are complimentary...

 

[Barry]

I played covers for many years... I also played originals. I played in an area that, to play 6 nights a week you had to play covers or be fired. The trick was to have originals that sounded as good and packed the dance floor as good as the covers.

Having said that.... My personal feeling was that when Van Halen played "Pretty Woman" he didn't copy Roy Orbison's guitar players sound.... When he copied "You Really Got Me" by the Kinks.... He used his own "brown" sound. For me I had my own sound.... I used my sound on "EVERY SONG I PLAYED" because the most important thing to me is this.... And "guys" and "gals" ..... if there is one concept in all of music it is this....

And I did NOT come up with this saying but it is so true and I live by it ALWAYS.....

And I quote.....

"You need to have a style of playing and a sound that if your Mother heard it on a recording... she'd know it was you"

If your mother heard a recording... would she say "that is my kid playing"

If your playing does that... then you have your own style.... That... is the MOST IMPORTANT CONCEPT IN MUSIC.

Doesn't mean you're playing is any good... But if you can be unique you have a shot and being a legend.

Now... for me personally... I can do ANY cover tunes... OR originals with 3 sounds.... That's it!!!! I can get them on a single channel amp OR a dual channel amp. Doesn't matter what your sounds are... or what the original guitarists sounds are.... In fact I would suggest to politely ignore the original guitarists sound and come up with your own sound. Every song... even a cover is an original if you play your own creative parts using you unique sound and style. Capture the general context and then expand. Van Halen made many memorable recordings trumping classic tunes. He even whalopped Sammy Hagars "I can't Drive 55" Live with his own sound and style. Covers are a chance to create and blast away the original guitarists solos!

I once played a particular artists cover tune and whailed with my sound and my style.... only to find out on the next break that the guitarist for the particular artist was sitting and watching. He came to me and complimented me on my sound and playing. I'm not bring this up to pat myself on the back but to stress this point.... you're you.... I'm am me.... Be yourself and be proud of it! Play originals AND covers as YOU... not the original artist.

Now.....

To me If I have 3 WORLD CLASS sounds... I'm there


To me.... they are:

1. Super Clean... Fender but with a nice break up.... right on the edge of clipping

2. Smooth Crunch... classic rhythm sound but smooth

3. High Gain lead sound .... Cross between Alan Holdsworth and Eric Johnson.... Violin smooth..... legato


Those are it for me.... My personal preference. Yours can be totally different. The Stiletto pulls it off for me... The Mark IV did not.

My curiosity with the Electra Dyne is this.... How does this amp do Marshall with 6L6 tubes? I'd like that answer.

Im with you on the Stiletto . I love that amp . Played a gig tonight and that amp was off the rails good . It loves mahogany based humbucker guitars .

 

[rocksalt7]

I seriously need to make reservations!! :mrgreen:

 

[dodger916]

I'm thinking of starting a resort....

This is my concept:

A resort.... Swimming pools... tennis courts... beaches.... Casinos.... AND...


EVERY AMP EVER MADE!

You bring your wife... kids and your favorite axe!

They go to the pool.... or beach while YOU......plug in to any amp ever made.....

There are stages and you pick the amps you want to try and have at er! The studio musicians playing with you are complimentary...

Put it in Vermont or the Catskills and capture the NYC winter crowd as well. Might as well run it year round.

 

[Barry]

I have the Deuce II . I use it in conjunction with the LoneStar via a tonebone switcher .

 

[Barry]

Im going to buy a Mark V head but Im going to wait and see what sort of updates come along for it first .

 

[Barry]

I dont think that was the case with the stage II Stiletto . There might be a mark V B or something . Im going to wait for a year possibly and see how they are received , etc... Look at the RK, LS, etc.. . They all evolved into RKII and LS 10/50/100 . Lets see what happens