Dual Recto and Tc electronic effects

[matfiej]

Wanna ask if you too got problems with FX loop and Tc electronic stuff.
I got a 2 ch. Recto and want to plug my Tc SCF in the loop, but there's a problem cause I can only use the effect only on the "low" settings, because if the sounds from the Tc SCF is little more intense there comes a lot of noise out of my Mesa. Is it a problem with the pedal, or maybe the parallel loop ?
Hope you gonna help!!

 

[camsna]

Put the SCF in front of the amp - not in the loop. You run into line/instrument level issues with pedals and loops. Put line level FX in the loop and instrument level FX in front of the amp.

 

[matfiej]

Thanks man, it helped !!
One more question which FX are line and which are intrument level?? Cause I got a EH Small Stone(from 80's) and don't know if I should put it in front of the amp or in the loop?

 

[nomad100hd]

Where you put it should be dependent on the tone your after. The small stone can go in front, but most FX like that go in the loop post distortion. If the pedal doesn't work right in the loop I'd mod the amp!


Great pedal by the way i love the small stone one of my best friends has one.

 

[camsna]

I asked John Suhr about line level / instrument level effects and FX loops - here's what he said:

"Here is the problem
The correct place to put a loop is after all the overdrive has happened.
In a modern amp the preamp is basically where the gain is.
After the EQ section you usually hit a Master which can double as a send level. The level at this point is blazing could be 10 ~20VRMS, the Master or a send level doesnt have too much trouble knocking this down to a volt or so to drive line level gear. You are usually talking a difference of knocking it down to +4dBu compared to knocking the level way down to -15dBu or so for instrument. You need to do this since pedals cant handle the signal being run on batterys and would need 30VDC instead of 9 VDC.

So far it is not hard to do, but think about creating all this level and then taking it all the way down to the level that comes out of your guitar.

Problem is when you need to get that level back to drive the power section of the amp to get to the point of no level loss through the loop you will be kicking up the noise floor, another problem is most pedals have no level indicators so you dont know if you are clipping the pedal."

Makes sense to me!