phoenixmusician
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Btw the lps and the TSri, which one is better suited to open up the cleans. I've read some complaints that the ts can sound fizzy. I know its a tverb, but I want a killer clean sound. Maybe I need some SED 6L6
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ifailedshapes
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phoenixmusician said:
Any chance you can repost that sans abbreviations for those of us that speak English?
CHATTERBOX
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phoenixmusician said:
"killer cleans" ??
Christ, man...Fenders are 2 blocks north...My apologies for my remark but I can't imagine buying a Rectifier but wanting killer cleans and then dicking around with "tube cocktails" just to get THAT tone. Plug in and ROCK!!
erectifier
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CHATTERBOX said:
+1
We all know what a dual recto is for....
konstantine RK
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yup.... rectos are good for one thing... DISTORTED SOUNDING CHANNELS. I have been battling the cleans on my RK for years. Now I use compression to get decent clean sounds and a lot of SPAX7's lol
phoenixmusician
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I don't take offense that easily. the whole point of the thread was to get some advice on which tubes will help the clean channel, not to take tthe pointers 2 blocks up. I know why I got this recto, more importantly this tremoverb. Yes mainly it is for the dirt channel, but luckily for me, i have many different influences, and like my influences which are diverse, I simply want the versatility of my amp to reflect that with the recomended tubes.
Would have been nice if u guys told me the tubes you favor.
Would have been nice if u guys told me the tubes you favor.
ifailedshapes
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Hey Phoenix, instead of insulting my intelligence via private message, why not do the board as a whole a favor and just repost your original question in common English? You're right that "as a Mark III user I should know a thing about tubes", and I do. Instead of being a dick about it, you could just reiterate your question in common English to improve the readability of the board as a whole.
For what it's worth, I agree with you that all of the posts trashing your choice of amp selection are utterly useless.
For what it's worth, I agree with you that all of the posts trashing your choice of amp selection are utterly useless.
MesaENGR412
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konstantine RK said:
key point - OLDER rectos (pre-Reborn, possibly even pre- Roadster/RK II some will argue). Case in point:
My cleans :lol: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpgVU6nk67o
And the cleans we got on our new record from these things are just...awesome.
To the OP:
I used the Tung Sol Reissue in my Triple Rec in the v1 and it helped clean up the amp some. I had Sovtek LPSWC's in the v3-4 positions and they were pretty decent as well, but it's all in the ear of the beholder. I think I ended up swapping around the Sovteks, put a TAD (Tube Amp Doctor) in the V3, and that helped with Ch2, made it a bit smoother. However, I wasn't looking for a really good clean so, my choices were a little different.
-AJH
phoenixmusician
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Thanks for the info mesaengr.
To those who I may have offended, it is never my intention to insult, and if I pm, its usually cause I want it to be private, hence the abbreviations. In regards to that, the tube abbreviations used in this post that have been used by some tube snobs in these very same forums who get upset when you don't differentiate a reissue from a (NOS) new old stock, kinda like tungsolRI vs, the original tung sol, or mullard.
If I insulted anyone, my sincerest apologies, but I'm not fond of other people suggesting me amps (unless you guy's would want to buy it for me).
To re-phrase my question:
For those who use rectos, preferably dual rectifier tremoverbs. To get the most versatility out of the clean/vint hi gain ch, who likes what preamp tubes and why? I understand, based on trial/error, that v1 and v2 work like a team with their respective tubes in regards to the clean ch.
Also what tube I is prefered for the PI (phase inverter)?
Any feedback is greatly appreciated.
To those who I may have offended, it is never my intention to insult, and if I pm, its usually cause I want it to be private, hence the abbreviations. In regards to that, the tube abbreviations used in this post that have been used by some tube snobs in these very same forums who get upset when you don't differentiate a reissue from a (NOS) new old stock, kinda like tungsolRI vs, the original tung sol, or mullard.
If I insulted anyone, my sincerest apologies, but I'm not fond of other people suggesting me amps (unless you guy's would want to buy it for me).
To re-phrase my question:
For those who use rectos, preferably dual rectifier tremoverbs. To get the most versatility out of the clean/vint hi gain ch, who likes what preamp tubes and why? I understand, based on trial/error, that v1 and v2 work like a team with their respective tubes in regards to the clean ch.
Also what tube I is prefered for the PI (phase inverter)?
Any feedback is greatly appreciated.
konstantine RK
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I just visited my local Guitar Center.. lo and behold a ROADKING II sitting in the amp room for 2749.00 new. I put my purchases down.. grab a Les paul and plug in to play.
Nothing... I turn the RK2 around and notice first that all the channels are set to "A" output but plugged into "B" output jack as well as that failsafe phone jack that saves your amp in case you forget to plug your cab to your head.. well both speaker cable and failsafe jack were plugged into B so of course there is no sound. I fix that and finally get to hear this lonestar clean and I have to say I was very impressed with the LS clean.
I will never buy a floor model from GC but I was impressed that they had a RK2 there even if those morons have no clue how to set it up.
Roadking II is my next step and the cleans were good enough.
Nothing... I turn the RK2 around and notice first that all the channels are set to "A" output but plugged into "B" output jack as well as that failsafe phone jack that saves your amp in case you forget to plug your cab to your head.. well both speaker cable and failsafe jack were plugged into B so of course there is no sound. I fix that and finally get to hear this lonestar clean and I have to say I was very impressed with the LS clean.
I will never buy a floor model from GC but I was impressed that they had a RK2 there even if those morons have no clue how to set it up.
Roadking II is my next step and the cleans were good enough.
MesaENGR412
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Good to hear you resuscitated a good amp man. I feel bad for amps that end up in GC's, used and abused even before they are sold!
-AJH
-AJH
phoenixmusician
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As a former manager at gc I would say a couple of things. There are always young kids that simply cant help themselves to plug stuff where it doesnt go, but thats not to say that the newly employed don't have the knowledge of a dept or assistant mgrs. Don't be afraid to ask for new in box, if they appreciate your buisness, they should do what it takes to make it happen. I know I did and will continue to do upon my return. Them floor models can get beat up though.
phoenixmusician
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Let me make a correction, "thats not to say that the newly employed have the same knowledge as someone who's been there for half a year. I personally don't deal with newer employes unless I know they know their stuff"
The floor models you can sometimes get a discount, ultimately a manager will have to approve the discount.
The floor models you can sometimes get a discount, ultimately a manager will have to approve the discount.
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I completely disagree that you shouldn't buy a Rectifier if you want cleans, and especially a Tremoverb. I think they have great cleans, in fact I prefer them to Fenders - yes, they are a slightly 'dirty clean' (not clipped, but harmonically distorted), but that's what I like about them - and yes, they have low clean headroom overall for a big powerful amp - but you can still make it work. Don't expect (or want) it to sound like a Twin Reverb at full volume and it's great.
The first thing I would do is to put a 12AT7 in the V5 and V6 slots. These are the reverb driver and post-reverb/pre-loop gain stage (V5) and phase inverter (V6). This will give you a deeper, clearer tone (and better reverb). Slightly less gain overall (all modes) but unless you're maxing out the gain knobs it shouldn't matter. You can use decent NOS tubes, 12AT7s don't cost much (yet). I like the JAN/Philips which is about the most common available at the moment and has the clearest tone.
Next I would use NOS 12AX7s for the other positions, except maybe for V4 if you don't use the loop. I prefer US-made ones for cleans, across the board. I'm not 100% sure why and it might just be 'mojo'! But mine seems to sound best with GEs or Sylvanias. They are not too expensive, but if you can only afford new-production and if you have to choose between Tung-Sol RIs and Sovteks (even LPS) I would go for Tung-Sols.
If you want to go the whole hog, original Philips/Sylvania or GE 6L6GCs will make a big difference... but you have to pay for it.
The first thing I would do is to put a 12AT7 in the V5 and V6 slots. These are the reverb driver and post-reverb/pre-loop gain stage (V5) and phase inverter (V6). This will give you a deeper, clearer tone (and better reverb). Slightly less gain overall (all modes) but unless you're maxing out the gain knobs it shouldn't matter. You can use decent NOS tubes, 12AT7s don't cost much (yet). I like the JAN/Philips which is about the most common available at the moment and has the clearest tone.
Next I would use NOS 12AX7s for the other positions, except maybe for V4 if you don't use the loop. I prefer US-made ones for cleans, across the board. I'm not 100% sure why and it might just be 'mojo'! But mine seems to sound best with GEs or Sylvanias. They are not too expensive, but if you can only afford new-production and if you have to choose between Tung-Sol RIs and Sovteks (even LPS) I would go for Tung-Sols.
If you want to go the whole hog, original Philips/Sylvania or GE 6L6GCs will make a big difference... but you have to pay for it.
IMO my Tverb has pretty good cleans - for a DR. My Mark III has lush bouncy fender cleans that I love. lps FTW. YMMV
I used to get my tubes from GC. Once I tried to byob into the gc and they told me to GTFO. all i wanted was an lps, some tad's or some sed's for my dr. wtf? ive never been a big fan of the TS. Unless were talking about the TS on my pb. killer OD. RNR! 8)
I used to get my tubes from GC. Once I tried to byob into the gc and they told me to GTFO. all i wanted was an lps, some tad's or some sed's for my dr. wtf? ive never been a big fan of the TS. Unless were talking about the TS on my pb. killer OD. RNR! 8)
MesaENGR412
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droptrd said:
lol?
-AJH
While I never cared for the clean tones on the older rectifiers, the new "Reborn" series has one of the best clean channels I've ever heard.
In my search for a high gain, multi-channel amp, an average sounding clean channel wasn't an option. The new Rectos clean channel reminds me of a Lonestar... can't go wrong with that.
In my search for a high gain, multi-channel amp, an average sounding clean channel wasn't an option. The new Rectos clean channel reminds me of a Lonestar... can't go wrong with that.
phoenixmusician
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94tremoverb, thx! Thats the type of response I was awaiting. I KNOW, I can get usable cleans out of my tremoverb as it is. After reading many threads In which you responded, you seem to be one of the go to guys for the tverb and its capabilities. I know its not going to sound EXACTLY like a fender clean, but I can get some great cleans when plug in my schecter strat, not so with the prs.
Thanks again.
Thanks again.
ifailedshapes
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Threads like this are so hard to answer because we all want something slightly different in our tone. One person's definition of "clean" might be another person's definition of "slight breakup". Also, the three basic standards (Fender Twin, Vox AC30, Roland JC120) all sound different, so if I'm thinking of a Vox while you're thinking of a Fender, we're going to have a difference of opinion.
Incubus used to be my favorite band, and their Make Yourself / Morning View albums are still among my favorites. Mike Einziger was using Tremoverbs at that time, and I really like his clean sounds. He was using a lot of effects, but effects aside, his tone was very good. Personally, I think a subtle use of reverb and/or chorus really helps give life to a clean channel. I'm not saying tubes don't make a difference, but I think there's more to the equation.
Incubus used to be my favorite band, and their Make Yourself / Morning View albums are still among my favorites. Mike Einziger was using Tremoverbs at that time, and I really like his clean sounds. He was using a lot of effects, but effects aside, his tone was very good. Personally, I think a subtle use of reverb and/or chorus really helps give life to a clean channel. I'm not saying tubes don't make a difference, but I think there's more to the equation.
