''Chasing holy grails-debunking the myth''

[Vogelsong]

Some price..worth it?the v twin was expensive and not worth the money 4 sure!

Im thinking of finding a used one to play with my bandmaster at home. I need some distortion without too much volume. I dont have any pedals for it and right now it's my only thing I have for practice at home. The mesa stays at our practice spot.

 

[zodiac272]

The only reason I bought my Mk IIC+ was because of reading about it on the internet, mainly on this forum. Before that I used a Mesa 2:90 with a digitech preamp and a quad preamp. I bought a Mk IIC+ never having heard or played one. The only bad thing about it is I'm wanting more or them. I bought a Triple Wreck distortion pedal, to get a different distorted tone as well as get a super chunk at low volumes, but I have to admit, that the IIC+ is way better. I was worried I might like pedal better, but I don't. I was also thinking of getting another solid state (roland jc) for chimey, warble clean/chorus tones, but again, the IIC+ kills the clean tones too. A chorus pedal is all I need. I just wish I bought it before I lost the use of my right hand! I don't need another IIC+, but if the price is right...

This is of course, all in my opinion, but that's all that matters.

scott

 

[Vogelsong]

The only reason I bought my Mk IIC+ was because of reading about it on the internet, mainly on this forum. Before that I used a Mesa 2:90 with a digitech preamp and a quad preamp. I bought a Mk IIC+ never having heard or played one. The only bad thing about it is I'm wanting more or them. I bought a Triple Wreck distortion pedal, to get a different distorted tone as well as get a super chunk at low volumes, but I have to admit, that the IIC+ is way better. I was worried I might like pedal better, but I don't. I was also thinking of getting another solid state (roland jc) for chimey, warble clean/chorus tones, but again, the IIC+ kills the clean tones too. A chorus pedal is all I need. I just wish I bought it before I lost the use of my right hand! I don't need another IIC+, but if the price is right...

This is of course, all in my opinion, but that's all that matters.

scott

Yea I hear ya, and please understand anyone else reading this, the pedal he listed to me aren't crap in my opinion, there nice pedals. They're just not what I would consider top shelf.

As far as my LSS, a Boomerang chorus/delay is the only pedal I run and its through the loop. Everything else is all Mesa.

 

[bartchamdoh]

Check out the pedals by providence,suhr guitars or the xotic range..all amazing in there own way.

 

[bartchamdoh]

A good pedal should let the sound of the guitar AND AMP come thru without 2 much colouration!

 

[Vogelsong]

A good pedal should let the sound of the guitar AND AMP come thru without 2 much colouration!

I just happen to think for me my LSS does that quite well.

 

[bartchamdoh]

The pedals i mention thru a good fender would sound better and work out cheaper than your lss!

 

[SpongeRob]

The pedals i mention thru a good fender would sound better and work out cheaper than your lss!

Yeah! Of course! You tried every pedal on this planet and know what works best for anyone of us with our guitars.
What a crap! Some post are really stupid. Saying everything is sh!t, only your equipment does it's job best is okay. But only for you!
I think nobody needs your advice in playing guitar. Some musician like Rock, other like Jazz and some like Pop. You can't satisfy each musician with an "universal pedal" which of course you have. I don't say my IIC+ is perfect. I talked with many musicians and came across some people who don't really like it. But for me, it does it's job best! Without any distortion pedal. Just because it doesn't need one. Maybe you can't dial in your Amps or you use crap Tubes that a pedal sounds better than your Amps XY Channel. Or maybe you just like pedals. It's really okay. I don't care what you do or what you play. And i won't say "buy yourself Amp XY and guitar ZX". You do so! And that's really stupid. I'm really proud of the guys here on this forum. Having contact with people all over the world (even with my english mistakes) and not always talking about music and gear. They give me the feeling of honest advices. But in your case i don't know where you got this anger about the Holy Grails? And now even for the "Top Shelf" Pedals. Is it because you call everyone stupid spending $2000+ for an Amp and $700 for a pedal? And you debunked the myth without even playing a IIC+ or one of those $700 pedals?

Your first post:

Hi it's bad boy of the forum bartchamdoh here for another discusion/argument

And now we're at the point that you can't discuss or argument right without even knowing anything about the characteristics about this gear (holy grails) we are talking about. So your topic about debunking the myth is just wrong here without trying them. Stop being so stupid. And try to be a bit honest with your topics.

Edit: I think you won't understand this and will continue your discusion. But this will only show how stupid you and this topic really are.

 

[bartchamdoh]

he cited srv as his grail tone,i can't remember him using a mesa boogie...re read his posts..clown

 

[lesterpaul]

he cited srv as his grail tone,i can't remember him using a mesa boogie...re read his posts..clown

sorry for feeding,fellow board members, but its time for a little credible info:
SRV did use a couple of small,wooden Boogies...during his Bowie tour....he said they sounded a lot like the more expensive Dumble that he was savin' his pennies for

 

[Vogelsong]

he cited srv as his grail tone,i can't remember him using a mesa boogie...re read his posts..clown

sorry for feeding,fellow board members, but its time for a little credible info:
SRV did use a couple of small,wooden Boogies...during his Bowie tour....he said they sounded a lot like the more expensive Dumble that he was savin' his pennies for

Awe man you beat me to it, I actually have the printed interview from guitar world mag. There was 3 reason I was getting involved in this discussion.

1) to find out what he called top shelf pedals (I knew they wouldn't be). There nice pedals but not top shelf.

2) To get him to make a stupid comment like the one he made about fenders sounding better with his "top shelf pedals" (have you looked at my signature you dope?). It doesn't get any better than a 59 band master. To me it sounds ok with pedals but it isn't my LSS.

And finally 3) To dope him right into the SRV, MESA thing. His interview is the reason I checked out MESA and then finally bought one after I played it. It gives awesome SRV Little Wing tone.

There's something you fail to understand. You can't generalize tone, what works for you wont work for everyone. If you think it sounds awesome fine, but to me it sounds nice. And my LSS is the bomb, for me. And nothing you say can change that, you may as well be talking to the wall. I will never say my sound is the end all be all for everyone its not, but it is for me and thats what matters.

And that is why discussions like this are useless. Unless its an opinion discussion which this is not. As soon as you made some of the falsely factual statements that you started out with. Like the above fender comment, this discussion became sensless.

By the way the right response to my SRV tone comment would have been a simple, "cool, glad you got what your looking for". But you had to go and prove that your only interested in knocking gear.

Discussion over.

 

[SpongeRob]

he cited srv as his grail tone,i can't remember him using a mesa boogie...re read his posts..clown

The only thing that matter is this little dialogue

A good pedal should let the sound of the guitar AND AMP come thru without 2 much colouration!

I just happen to think for me my LSS does that quite well.

The best thing about music is to have fun with it. To make someone or yourself smile. And even if someone uses a Boogie and is happy with it, it's okay. But no! It must be a fender and some pedals.
Did you play a LSS? Because i couldn't find it in you first post.
If not how could you say anything. It's that easy! And this is why i call you stupid. Because it doesn't make sense to make statements without even the Experience. And that's maybe also the reason why nobody wants to post in this topic. A Discussion about taste is not wrong, but saying something is crap without trying it + giving "good advice" is on the wrong place in any forum. That's why i will also ignore any of your further posts and topics.
Instead of leading this topic and discuss you just banished most of the board members.

You're a hero!

 

[bartchamdoh]

Dam i saw his name on the mesa endorsment list too...why did i say that lol.

 

[Vogelsong]

he cited srv as his grail tone,i can't remember him using a mesa boogie...re read his posts..clown

The only thing that matter is this little dialogue

A good pedal should let the sound of the guitar AND AMP come thru without 2 much colouration!

I just happen to think for me my LSS does that quite well.

The best thing about music is to have fun with it. To make someone or yourself smile. And even if someone uses a Boogie and is happy with it, it's okay. But no! It must be a fender and some pedals.
Did you play a LSS? Because i couldn't find it in you first post.
If not how could you say anything. It's that easy! And this is why i call you stupid. Because it doesn't make sense to make statements without even the Experience. And that's maybe also the reason why nobody wants to post in this topic. A Discussion about taste is not wrong, but saying something is crap without trying it + giving "good advice" is on the wrong place in any forum. That's why i will also ignore any of your further posts and topics.
Instead of leading this topic and discuss you just banished most of the board members.

You're a hero!

Let us not forget SRV's fenders were highly modded by Senior Diaz also. So in the end they really weren't good enough for Stevie either in their stock configuration.

 

[bartchamdoh]

he used a multiple amp set up..with pedals up front...he was clued up on what good tone is about!