Celestion 90 vs EV in a Mark IV

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wrxmania

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Hi all,

Does anyone have any first hand experience of a celestion driver compared to an EV driver in a Mark IV (particularly a hardwoodcustom Imbuya)?

I know it is very subjective but I understand the EV is a bit more precise but maybe more clinical?

Has anyone changed either way - eg used an EV and swapped to a Celestion etc or even tried other drivers. I am happy with my Celestion driver and have no intention to change it - just wondered.

Brian :)
 
I am a little confused by your question so I will just relate the combination I have set up. I have a MK II C+ in a purple heart cab with cane grill and use a Fane 100 watt Alnico speaker. I have and tried the EVM12L and didn't care for the high frequency response just too shrill the Alnico is just so much smoother sounding.
 
Sorry - I was looking for a comparison of the EV to the Celestion (and of course any other drivers that people have put in their cab).

I have always found EV's to be clinical speakers so I was wondering if this was peoples experience.

Brian :)
 
My experiences relate to my MKIII...

The EVM is a wonderful speaker for "old school" Boogies, loud, clear and tight. The bass never really "looses it"

Put that EV in the Theile (which Mesa designed specifically FOR the EVM12L) and it's just about perfect! YMMV, of course...

I like the MC-90 in an open-back Mesa 1-12, with the EVM in the Theile. I can't choose just ONE! :wink:
 
Hi Brian:
I happen to have some experience with just that amp. Back in the early 90's I lived in NYC (actually, I lived there all my life until 2 years ago when a 3rd child forced a move to NJ for more room) and I wanted to buy a MK IV. I had a friend who actually purchased one of the first MK IV hardwood combos directly from Mesa, back when you could do that. I went to both Sam Ash & Manny's and tried to get my amp. In both cases, the folks at those stores knew considerably less about the amp than I did *AND* at both places the hardwood combos that they pulled from the stock rooms were damaged (one, at Manny's, had the hardwood cab's dovetail joints seperating!). So, in desperation, I called Mesa/Boogie. They were very nice and sent me to their East Coast Artist Rep in Rockaway Beach or Far Rockaway (I'm a Manhattanite, so it's all the same to me). I got a friend of mine to drive my brother and me out there on a winter afternoon (by the time we headed back we were in the middle of a *MAJOR* snowstorm) and we met the Boogie Rep, a guy named Mark Snyder (I belive he went on to be Vernon Reid's guitar tech and now builds big "Racks"). Well, this guy had a whole storeroom filled with boogie Chassis and cabs. He let me pick both my chassis and cabinet and choose the speaker and then he put the chassis in the cabinet and mounted the speaker (a Celestion 90w Black Shadow) as I watched! My cab doesn't even have casters, just big rubber feet (bummer!). Anyway, I found the Celestion to be a slightly warmer speaker and that is why I chose it. As I understand it, the EV is a 200w speaker and tends to remain very "tight"; I prefer the "looser" sound of the celestion. One other thing of interest is that he had a couple of monster rack systems there and in one he had 2 different MK IV chassis. He let me check it out and pointed out that there were 2 distinct lead voicings available for the MK IV. I don't recall what he said the actual difference was, ( I *THINK* he said that one had a lead voicing akin to the MK IIC amp, whereas the other was a newer more "modern/high-gain" setting; this was right around the time that the Dual Rectifier came out and I think that the lead channel in my amp is supposed to be a little closer to the Rectifier lead sound, but, truth be told, I don't remember), but I chose the higher-gain version. I can't remember now whether or not the version I chose was the less-common, "custom" version, but I as far as I know, Mesa never mentioned that option in any of their ads, so perhaps it was only available to "recording" artists or something. Anyway, that's my experience.
Cheers,
David in NJ
 
Hey Brian:

Not only do I still have my harwood MK IV, but I just re-tubed it yesterday. However, now that I've begun to read some of the posts here, I think I might get some better tubes (I got Mesa/Boogie's). I switched the GT-7025's out and put in 12ax7's, but this afternoon I noticed that one of the tubes that I took out which I *THOUGHT* was a 7025 was actually a 12at7; I'm guessing that I had it in the V5 (phase inverter) socket. Obviously, I'm getting a little forgetful in my old age (I just turned 40 last month).:? I have several Boogie amps in addition to the MK IV. I've always loved Mesa/Boogies. I have a Road King combo, a MK IIb combo & a Lone Star Head w/ a Mesa 2x12 cab. I also have one of those slant front Recto 4x12 cabs with the side armor (I just couldn't help myself!). I also have a V-Twin pedal. One amp that is not a Boogie that you should try if you get the chance is an Egnater. I have an original (before Rocktron started making them) Egnater TOL 100 2x12 combo and I gotta tell ya, it wails! Compares very favorably with the MK IV and the Road King.

Loudly,

David in NJ
 
NUGENTRULES! said:
Hey Brian:
... but this afternoon I noticed that one of the tubes that I took out which I *THOUGHT* was a 7025 was actually a 12at7; I'm guessing that I had it in the V5 (phase inverter) socket. ...

I'd guess that the 12at7 came from V4.
Mostly because I just retubed my MarkIV and it had a 12at7 in the V4 slot.
I've gone back and forth with the old 12at7 and the new 12ax7 in V4 and I hear things I like in each, the 12at7 seems creamier on the lead channel and the 12ax7 seems to have more definition in the lead channel. At least those are my initial impressions. I'll play around with them a little more before making my final decision. Also it's a little tough to compare because the settings have to be changed to account for the different response. I didn't think either sounded bad.
 
V4A is the second lead hi-gain stage and V4B is the reverb send

But you knew that, because you've downloaded the manual off the Mesa website!
 
I just replaced the Classic Lead 80 that was in my MKIV with an EVM12L.
I found it in a local shop that just did a recone on it. First let me state
that I really like the sound of the Celestion, but I felt that it was muddying my sound up.

My initial thought was that the EV has a little more bite to it. A little more dirt or grittier sound. Now I believe that this is because there is much less midrange with this speaker and it lets the flavor of the amp through better than the Celestion.

To me, the EV is cleaner/clearer sounding than the Celestion. I think that as it breaks in it will only sound better.

Just my .02, cheers.

Doug.
 
marklyn said:
I'd guess that the 12at7 came from V4.
Mostly because I just retubed my MarkIV and it had a 12at7 in the V4 slot.

Hi Marklyn:

Thanks! I actually called Boogie to ask about which socket the 12at7 should go in and they said that I had several options (I think V1 was also a possibility), but they said that the V5 socket usually accomodates a 12ax7. I'm going to go swap the 12at7 into the V4 socket right now.
Thanks again,
David in NJ
 
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