WTB Mark II C+

[metal190]

I think the subject says it all - although I'm hoping this post may spark some conversation. People will probably ask what I want in it - although I can't say I know a ton about them, so I guess what I really want is a Mark IIC+, and some education on a Mark IIC+ :wink:

 

[Johnson]

This website is a good place to start for some general information: http://homepage.mac.com/mesaboogie/MarkIIC.html

Buying a C+ really depends on a lot of factors...I'd need to know your responses to the following questions to have a better idea of the advice to give you:

1.) Whats the reason your buying? Are you only concerned about tone ie playing out/recording with the amp? Or are you also interested in the amps "collectablilty" and increasing value?

2.) How much are you looking to spends? Generally, its going to cost between $1,300-$3k+

3.) What options are important to you? The C+ comes with different options such as:
-Reverb
-Graphic EQ
-SimulClass
-Head vs Combo
-EV speaker
-Hardwood Cabinets

 

[Octavarius]

This website is a good place to start for some general information: http://homepage.mac.com/mesaboogie/MarkIIC.html

Buying a C+ really depends on a lot of factors...I'd need to know your responses to the following questions to have a better idea of the advice to give you:

1.) Whats the reason your buying? Are you only concerned about tone ie playing out/recording with the amp? Or are you also interested in the amps "collectablilty" and increasing value?

2.) How much are you looking to spends? Generally, its going to cost between $1,300-$3k+

3.) What options are important to you? The C+ comes with different options such as:
-Reverb
-Graphic EQ
-SimulClass
-Head vs Combo
-EV speaker
-Hardwood Cabinets

And it's also in 60 watt or 100/60 watt models, if it doesn't have Simul-Class. Then it's Simul-Class/Class A. There are also domestic and export models. Exports are those with the voltage switch on the back, making it able to operate on worldwide voltages. It's also a different tranny than the domestic 105 one. The 60 watts had the 100 tranny. 100/60 watts and Simul-Class had the 105, and all export models (60, 100/60 and Simul-Class) had the X101.

Oh, and there are also wide and short heads. Well, the wide ones are either coliseum models in heads or combos, or 15" speaker combos.

Here's the options sheet from the Boogie Files:

 

[Johnson]

+1^^^^

 

[BOOGIE-MAN63]

I have a loaded 60 watter for sell in combo form with the rack kit.

 

[siggy14]

You know the 2C's are suppose to be magic because of there power section. Because basically the original Mark IVA had the pre amp section of the 2C.

what i always thought ironic about the 2C's, is the fact that metallica made them popular as well as Petrucci. Now for the funny part, both these bands did not use the power section of the 2 C's, they slaved the amps into power amps, I know metallica did this for sure, they liked putting them into marshall power amps or mesa.

I also believe I read somewhere petrucci does the same, doesnt he actually have a special made pre-amp that is just the pre-amp of the 2C?

So really, what is so special about the 2C's if you can get the same pre-amp part in the Mark IVA and every big band that made this amp popular bypassed the power amp part of it anyway?

 

[JOEY B.]

The "slave" signal is derived from the speaker output signal, therefore capturing the power section magic of the C+ and sending it to a power amp to provide MORE POWER. I sometimes send a signal from the slave out on my MkII to my MkI to add power .

 

[Octavarius]

Petrucci mostly slaved it into another power amp in some of his live rigs. Obviously, when you're running 4 - 5 amps like he does in stereo, you can't use all individual power sections of each amp. But in studio he rarely slaves one amp into another.

The IIC+ preamp you're talking about was lately used live with the Recto 2:100 'cause he liked that combination at that time. It's first appearance was in the Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence live rig, where it was put through a couple of IIC+ power sections. I don't know why he didn't use the preamp sections of those two heads instead, though. Could have been some sort of a backup arrangement. I don't know.

Anyway, I actually also think he slaved the Mark IV (or just the preamp section) into the IIC+ on the last part of The Dark Eternal Night. There was a discussion about that on the Petrucci Forums. In the video from the studio recording you can see both the Mark IV and the IIC+ running, but he was only connected to the Mark IV input. So someone guessed he might have slaved the Mark IV into the IIC+ for the "power amp magic" or just some more headroom, etc.

 

[metal190]

To answer the questions posed by Johnson in the second post of this thread:

1. I am looking to buy for additional tonal options to the Road King. I want some old school high gain. Mostly looking to record, but I also want ease of flexibility with my current rack and midi setup, and I want an amp I can use live. I would love a head, probably use the speakers in my road king combo til I could get a dedicated cab (the immediate use would be recording, so I don't mind switching the road king speakers). Not too worried about it's collectability and increasing value, although I do want something that will at least hold it's value. (I think that pretty much any C+ that is taken care of should do that, right?)

2. I mostly care about the price - so unless the reverb was killer, I can just use my G-Force reverb. I don't know much about simulClass - is that the ability to control the wattage of the amp, switching between 60 and 100? I'll probably use my own EQ, but again, if the Graphic EQ on the C+ really can enhance the tone a lot more than a rack EQ and it's not too expensive, then I'd consider it. Can I see some commentary on the available options? Guys - what options are worth the money on this amp, and what ones just raise the price and allow you to say it's fully loaded?

Thanks!

 

[Johnson]

I would definately look into geting a IIC that was modded by mike B to a IIC+. It sounds exactly the same, and you will save hundreds of dollars. I modded one with GEQ and Simulclass just sold on ebay for 1500. Where if it was original, it would have went for another 1k-1.5k. You might also want to check into a Mark IV. It would be alot easier to use a mark IV for live applications, as you would have a lot more options. The Graphic EQ and the Simulclass are really the two options that effect the value of the C+ the most in my opinion. Simulclass is cool...it allows you to use 2 EL34 tubes and 2 6L6 tubes "simultaneously." My C+ doesn't have a GEQ, so I can't comment much on that...but from what I've heard, it helps alot with the tone. I love the reverb on my C+...but then again, I don't have much experience with effects...but it sounds good to my ears. Hope this helps! Goodluck!

 

[boogiejohn]

Hi, I just joined the boogie forum [on urging by a friend that is already a member] i am selling my amps and if your seriously interested in a mark 2c or 2c+ [fair pricing]then i can get you the info and pics on the amps plus [since i'm new here] a reference from a long standing member if needed. thanks ,john

 

[metal190]

Yeah, I'm interested Boogiejohn. What have you got?